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 Post subject: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:41 pm 



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I am thinking about ditching Component for PS2 and switching to Sync on Green BNC cables. However, I've researched it and found that I would need a lot of extra stuff to get it working. I was just wondering if I could simplify the process a bit.

Where can I get an RGsB SCART cable? Are there BNC versions available as well/instead? Do I need another Extron unit?


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:06 pm 


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clutchins wrote:
I am thinking about ditching Component for PS2 and switching to Sync on Green BNC cables. However, I've researched it and found that I would need a lot of extra stuff to get it working. I was just wondering if I could simplify the process a bit.

Where can I get an RGsB SCART cable? Are there BNC versions available as well/instead? Do I need another Extron unit?

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but : RGsB passes through any RGB SCART cable, I think. The potential problem will be with your display. And maybe with your switcher.

What kind of display are you using?
Not all display can handle SoG

What kind of switcher/converters do you have in your chain?
Some won't output SoG. But the Extron matrixes, for example, certainly will.


You gotta provide us with more info on your setup :D


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:15 pm 


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Uh, you can just use component cables for sync on green. Just use RCA>BNC adapters on the end of the component cable, and it passes sync on green just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:31 am 



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BazookaBen wrote:
Uh, you can just use component cables for sync on green. Just use RCA>BNC adapters on the end of the component cable, and it passes sync on green just fine.


Because the component video for PS2 is awful. Sony's video encoder wasn't a very good one. If you use RGsB, you avoid the component video altogether and get a superior RGB image. I've tried using RGsB through the OSSC. It looks better than through component. Is it an enormous difference? Not to most people. If you're a big PS2 fan, you'll notice the difference.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:52 am 


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I wouldn't say it's awful. It just has a lot of noise in the signal. RGB is the way to go though if your display supports RGsB.
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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:56 am 


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If I remember what Fudoh has said correctly, you can pass an RGsB signal through the component cables and gain the benefits as well. Or maybe if you have a set with a composite plug on it as well, RGBV.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:33 am 



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Mind if I add this to the topic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9z72atYzA

I'm wondering if it will work on making 240p/480i visible instead of doing guesswork on trying to get 480p enabled.
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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:50 am 


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lechu wrote:
Because the component video for PS2 is awful. Sony's video encoder wasn't a very good one. If you use RGsB, you avoid the component video altogether and get a superior RGB image. I've tried using RGsB through the OSSC. It looks better than through component. Is it an enormous difference? Not to most people. If you're a big PS2 fan, you'll notice the difference.


No, you misunderstood me. You can use component cables for RGsB. Once you set your PS2 (or GS Mode Selector) to RGB, it will send an RGB signal over the component cables. It will only work for 480p, which is sync on green. For 480i, you will also need the composite video plug for sync.

So if you plan on only playing in 480p, standard component cables are all you need. If you want 480i compatibility too, you'll need component video cables that also have the composite video plug for sync. Then you just use RCA>BNC adapters.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:55 am 



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So I have a BVM with an Extron 6x1 BNC switchbox. I also have some extra BNC to RCA converters for my Component consoles. So if I just use the PS2 Component cables in that, will I be able to take advantage of SoG?

Also will it just be limited to 480p or 480i and 240p as well?

I was thinking about getting a Sync on Luma cable and just using that for Sync on Green and probably throw in a SCART to BNC cable with a Sync Stripper.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:02 am 


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480p is sync on green, so normal component cables are fine. 480i is separate sync, so you'll need some third party component cables that also have the composite video plug.

Or you can spend more money for a scart lead and BNC breakout.

Not sure if a sync stripper would be necessary, I don't need them for my PVM's.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:14 pm 



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clutchins wrote:
I was thinking about getting a Sync on Luma cable and just using that for Sync on Green and probably throw in a SCART to BNC cable with a Sync Stripper.

That's probably the best solution at the moment.

People seem to get so confused about PS2 & RGsB. I'm always trying to find a way to make it clearer to understand on my page, but I guess I'm failing...


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:07 pm 


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In my experience scart cables do not have the necessary shielding to send 480p signals. You will get ringing noise. It's certainly possible with high quality cables, but keep this in mind.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:54 pm 



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antron wrote:
In my experience scart cables do not have the necessary shielding to send 480p signals. You will get ringing noise. It's certainly possible with high quality cables, but keep this in mind.

So should I add that coax upgrade to my order from retro_console_accessories?


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:12 pm 



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retrorgb wrote:
clutchins wrote:
I was thinking about getting a Sync on Luma cable and just using that for Sync on Green and probably throw in a SCART to BNC cable with a Sync Stripper.

That's probably the best solution at the moment.

People seem to get so confused about PS2 & RGsB. I'm always trying to find a way to make it clearer to understand on my page, but I guess I'm failing...

I'm really grateful for your page on the site dedicated to this subject. I would have never considered it had I not seen it.

That said, I think the section would be better off listing the simplest ways to hook up RGsB going all the way to the extreme PS2 -> (SCART Sync on Luma) -> Sync Strike ->(D-Sub VGA) -> Extron 203 Rxi -> (BNC to Mini DIN) -> Framemeister. In my opinion, that would be a more logical to set that up, from simple to complex.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:27 pm 



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That's a good suggestion, thanks! I guess I can try to list scenario's. My only concern is for people who try to use the component video cables; When you switch to RGB instead of component, the on-screen colors get weird. I imagine some displays might not work at all. Either way:

RGsB-compatible target device (OSSC, BVM, some PVM's, etc):
PS2 -> RGB SCART cable -> Target
PS2 -> Component Cables -> Target

RGBs Compatible device:
PS2 -> Sync stripper (in cable or external device) -> Extron RXi -> Target

All the cabling make it really hard for lists like that though. There's a new solution coming out that will be by far the best way to do it...I'll update when there's a prototype ready.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:31 pm 


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If BVM's are like PVM's, which accept composite video for sync, then you don't need a sync stripper. Just hook up a component video cable that also has a composite video connector, then just make sure you switch your BVM to sync-on-green before you switch to 480p in your PS2 game.

My PC monitor doesn't accept 480i, so I just use Free MC Boot and GS Mode Selector to switch immedately to 480p by holding R2 on startup.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:23 pm 



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How useful are Y adapter cables in this regard?
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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:02 pm 


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headlesshobbs wrote:
How useful are Y adapter cables in this regard?


I use one for my sync lines because my component switch doesn't carry a composite line. Works fine in that situation.


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:26 pm 



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How does RGsB compare to RsGB and RGBs, Sync on Composite, Sync on Luma and Pure Sync?


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 Post subject: Re: PS2 RGsB Setup
PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:03 pm 



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Does this explain it?: https://youtu.be/Ej3rMrXNgyU

I tried to make it as simple as possible, but I could use some feedback before I make the video "public".


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