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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that run in 240p
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:32 am 


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Been a while since I posted here and was curious if anyone found something new? No luck on this end.
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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that run in 240p
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:41 pm 


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Gunbird SE is 240p already. No need to patch.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that run in 240p
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:22 pm 


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Added it to the list and also put the regions next to each game. If you can confirm that a certain game runs in 240p in one region but not the other then let me know. As of now we just assume that it should be the same for both the EU and JP region but you know what they say about assume... :roll:

I can confirm that the US games run in 240p.
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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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City Crisis is in 240p.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:15 pm 


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All 4 games in Gunvari Collection + Time Crisis(JP) run at native 240p over component. Haven't tried any other output method but doubt it would matter.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:53 am 


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Added.
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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:44 am 


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Beatmania 3rd Style, 4th Style, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th all output 16:9 240p (720x240)


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:18 pm 


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I play Ryuuko No Ken Ten Chi Jin on PS2 JP, but do I need to enable 240p somehow?
To me, in-game resolution seems different from my consolized MVS or from any 2D PS1 game... Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:13 am 


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It should automatically change to 240p when you select a game. Maybe the Japanese version doesn't support this? It may also look off as I believe the Neo Geo MVS runs at 241p.
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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:33 am 


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Thank you.
Maybe someone in the forum could confirm this (with the JP edition)?

Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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I'm almost positive that Herdy Gerdy was 240p though I don't have it any more to check.

It always was my dream to have all PS2 games run in 240p and look as gorgeous as Ico. I need to check out Shadow of Destiny now, wish I knew about that back in 2002 or whenever.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:58 am 


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You are right it does run in 240p. Cutscenes seem to be 480i though.
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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:33 pm 


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kludd70 wrote:
It always was my dream to have all PS2 games run in 240p and look as gorgeous as Ico.

You can, with the Extron RGB interfaces' "240p trick" and an SD CRT :)


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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FinalBaton wrote:
kludd70 wrote:
It always was my dream to have all PS2 games run in 240p and look as gorgeous as Ico.

You can, with the Extron RGB interfaces' "240p trick" and an SD CRT :)

Decided to try this and bought an Extron RGB 120p after looking through advice in the threads, but it looks like it won't take a normal VGA cable and needs a 9-pin one instead. Is this what I need to make it work?

https://www.amazon.com/CableWholesale-F ... Z46S4HEEEQ

This seemed like a cheap solution though after buying like 5 or 6 cables and adapters not so much.

Just to clear it up, once I do get it all the junk I need, the chain should go like: PS2>SVideo>Svideo to 2BNC>2BNC to VGA>RGB Interface>2BNC to Svideo>SVideo>TV?


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:27 am 


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kludd70 wrote:
Decided to try this and bought an Extron RGB 120p after looking through advice in the threads, but it looks like it won't take a normal VGA cable and needs a 9-pin one instead. Is this what I need to make it work?

https://www.amazon.com/CableWholesale-F ... Z46S4HEEEQ

This seemed like a cheap solution though after buying like 5 or 6 cables and adapters not so much.

Just to clear it up, once I do get it all the junk I need, the chain should go like: PS2>SVideo>Svideo to 2BNC>2BNC to VGA>RGB Interface>2BNC to Svideo>SVideo>TV?

Regarding your chain : yes I think that's good. I don't run S-video myself but someone asked about it in another thread and Fudoh confirmed that it work with S-video-to-2 BNC adapters. There's some detail on the chain and adapters needed in this thread :
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56849&hilit=ps2+240p&start=60

I cannot comment on that DB9 to HD15 adapter since I've never used it, but someone else (I think it was Orange808) commented on them, so maybe you can ask him.

Did you see other people mention the 120p as a working solution for the trick to work? All interfaces with a DDSP switch should work, but checking the manual for your model, there is no DDSP switch that I can see (unless no5 is it or something. maybe someone else can confirm or deny this) :
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/files/rgb120.pdf

It is so worth it to get this setup working if you want 240p for PS2 game. Don't give up, you might encounter a few hurdles but keep in mind that it will give you 240p for ALL ps2 games, which is a huge benefit you will be reaping, and that other people have got this setup working. Including myself.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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There was a list of all the ones that work and have Vshift in a thread and it was listed. And I think someone mentioned that on models with numbered switches it would be #5.

FinalBaton wrote:
I cannot comment on that DB9 to HD15 adapter since I've never used it, but someone else (I think it was Orange808) commented on them, so maybe you can ask him

Found that thread and it looks like he recommended an extron brand cable so I'll try one of those to be safe.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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Question for anyone in the know... why did Sony/Capcom/whoever did ports of games that were originally 240p choose to scale them to 480i? Third Strike on PS2 is a good example of this.


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I lot of companies did this during the compilation craze. I don't like it either but I believe the excuse was something stupid like "More people are playing on monitors/flatscreen TV's so 240p won't work"
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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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austin532 wrote:
I lot of companies did this during the compilation craze. I don't like it either but I believe the excuse was something stupid like "More people are playing on monitors/flatscreen TV's so 240p won't work"


Hmmm, from what I remember during the PS2 era CRTs were still the majority and even early flat screens supported 240p. I think thats a really shitty excuse.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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My guess is that 480i was just a much more common resolution for games at the time, so that's what they went with. Still not a good excuse but it really irks me.


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:32 pm 


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Regarding the 480i library of the PS2 EXCLUDING ports of 240p games :

Yeah it's annoying. PS2 game devs really have no excuse for choosing 480i over 480p, since the console and media can handle it. I can see 480p being a storage/performance problem for the N64, so it gets a pass. but man, PS2 has no damn excuse...

Most games of the time needed to make use of "hi-res" graphics for extra detail. Hence the choice of a 480 high raster. But man, just go with 480 progressive scan for god's sake >_<

Thank god for the Dreamcast! Vast majority of it's titles output natively in 480p through a VGA box.

As for ports of 240p games on the PS2 :

This is indeed puzzling, and very frustrating. I've read a theory, which stated that since flat panels from some companies (mainly Samsung) had dropped 240p support (AKA 240p not recognized as such), Sony became frisky about putting out games in a resolution that would become more and more "obsolete" (or so they thought).

Not sure if true though


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Support for 480p, sure, but they'd still have to support 480i output for CRTs and for composite/s-video output.


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I don't even understand the reasoning of non-crt displays to drop 240p support anyway. All of the processing is in the digital domain anyway so I doubt it would even be a matter of adding extra components.


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Hey I'm just reporting what I've read :lol: Don't shoot the messenger!


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 Post subject: Re: List of PS2 games that natively run in 240p
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Yeah, it's a terrible excuse. People were still using CRT's well into 2007-08 and for a company to not have games play at their native resolution is just from laziness. The SNK compilations came out late in the system's life when everyone had switched over to HDTV's and they support 240p. Go figure.
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has their been any work in creating a ppf patch to remove bilinear filtering from the compilations that have it?


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Are the Mega Man Collection games emulations or ports?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:24 pm 


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Emulation and very shitty ones at that. They run in 480i and have major sound and overscan issues. The X collection however is much better.
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As Austin said. Blurry as all hell and laggy on top of that.

STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS!!! THAT COMPILATION IS A COMPLETE TURD


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The only reason to buy it was because it was the cheapest way to play MM7. But now with it being on VC as well as repro carts there is nothing this collection offers other than a conversation piece in your collection.
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