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 Post subject: Re: Leo's exciting hand held LAG TEST device - out now !
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:12 pm 


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No 240p or 480p = bummer, if so.


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240p via HDMI ? Wouldn't work anyway.


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I don't remember that option for resolution when I ordered.


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Fudoh wrote:
240p via HDMI ? Wouldn't work anyway.

lol, true :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:15 pm 


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The units shipped before the option was availble are set to 1080p60. This cannot be changed at home.


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input lag tester received :)

I forgot to buy AA batteries... lol, lets go to the jungle market...

edit: hmm there is an usb micro input, maybe we can flash device to other resolutions ?
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 Post subject: Re: Leo's exciting hand held LAG TEST device - out now !
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:42 am 


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Quick Tests

Lag Test output @1080p :
(LCD TV) KDL-32D3000 (game mode off) : 71~72 ms
(LCD TV) KDL-32D3000 (game mode on) : 49~50 ms
(LCD TV) KDL-32D3000 + HDFURY : unsupported signal :(
(LCD TV) KDL-32D3000 + HDFURY + GEFEN VGA/DVI (NATIVE > XGA) : 52~53 ms
(LCD TV) KDL-32D3000 + HDFURY + GEFEN VGA/DVI (@480p GAME MODE OFF) : 86~87ms @ Gefen 480p
(LCD TV) KDL-32D3000 + HDFURY + GEFEN VGA/DVI (@480p GAME MODE ON) : 66~67ms @ Gefen 480p
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T : 11,4~11,5 ms
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T + HDFURY1 : 10,8~11 ms
(PROJECTOR) SP-A600B : 33,7 ms
(PROJECTOR) SP-A600B + HDFURY1 : 36-37 ms

For information, XL2420T was measured by tftcentral.co.uk @13ms. They used this method > http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/input_lag.htm

So yeah, it's seems to works very well :).

Note 1 :
0-16ms = less than 1 frame
16-32 ms = 1~2 frames
32 ms + = more than 2 frames

Note 2 :
For HDFURY1, you must use external PSU or it will not works.
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 Post subject: Re: Leo's exciting hand held LAG TEST device - out now !
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akumajo wrote:
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T : 11,4~11,5 ms
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T + HDFURY1 : 10,8~11 ms

Did the HDFURY1 have "Time Travel" set to ON?
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undamned wrote:
akumajo wrote:
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T : 11,4~11,5 ms
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T + HDFURY1 : 10,8~11 ms

Did the HDFURY1 have "Time Travel" set to ON?
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what ? :shock:
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It's very well possible that the analogue input has a lower lag then the digital one....


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Think I'm going to have to order one of these! Very curious to have a definitive benchmark for my flat panels! Do any of you know what output format it uses (4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB)?


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Anything but RGB would be stupid. There are still so many LCD monitors out there which only support RGB through DVI.


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RGB32E wrote:
Think I'm going to have to order one of these! Very curious to have a definitive benchmark for my flat panels! Do any of you know what output format it uses (4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB)?


to fully answer your question :

- 1080p
- RGB
- H-Frequency 67,5 Hz
- V-Frequency 60 Hz
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akumajo wrote:
undamned wrote:
akumajo wrote:
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T : 11,4~11,5 ms
(LCD PC) BenQ XL2420T + HDFURY1 : 10,8~11 ms

Did the HDFURY1 have "Time Travel" set to ON?
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what ? :shock:

I was joking with you. If the display is 11.4ms, it's impossible to improve that. Your data says it's faster when you add the HDFURY1, implying it can somehow travel back in time, improving the overall response of your setup.
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Could it be error? The tester is supposed to be accurate within 1ms after all.


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I'm going to say the HDMI DAC in the Fury is faster than the HDMI DAC in the monitor, pretty simple stuff.

Also this is very exciting. I will definitely be ordering one very soon.


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Or, as said above:
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It's very well possible that the analogue input has a lower lag then the digital one....


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at least it proof that hdfury 1 is lag free

gefen vga/dvi I need to do more test, but it's seems to be very low.
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akumajo wrote:
at least it proof that hdfury 1 is lag free

nope, for reasons given above

+1 lag in HDfury 1 > +2 lag in monitor (or, as Fudoh suggests, between analog / digital inputs) = still lag, just reduced over that specific monitor or input

No time travel here...nothing to see here, go back to what you were doing five seconds from now :wink:


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so I will test on a CRT...
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so I tested ...

(PC CRT Monitor) Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 220 + HDFURY1 : 7,5 ms :shock:

Who lag ? HDFury ? CRT Monitor ? Input Lag Tester ? :mrgreen:
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just got mine and will hopefully get around playing with it over the next days. It's been a long time since I was so excited about a new toy :lol:


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Fudoh wrote:
just got mine and will hopefully get around playing with it over the next days. It's been a long time since I was so excited about a new toy :lol:

cool ! be sure to test crt firsts :)

Last time I was excited with a device it was with Rez Trance Vibrator :arrow:
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maybe being excited WITH something is different from being excited ABOUT something :twisted:


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akumajo wrote:
so I tested ...

(PC CRT Monitor) Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 220 + HDFURY1 : 7,5 ms :shock:

Who lag ? HDFury ? CRT Monitor ? Input Lag Tester ? :mrgreen:

7.5ms isn't much to get worried about, for sure. I would love to trade my own screen's 16.5-ish ms lag for that (although I already fail to spot the lag in real situations).

Is it the CRT? Seems unlikely if it's a VGA signal. HDFury, why not?

Although this raises an interesting point - could there be a "base" lag time present in the lag tester which always is added to (i.e., inflates) readings? It seemed to me that the first batch of LCDs tested with this device were giving consistently higher readings than had been achieved using other methods.


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Ed Oscuro wrote:
Although this raises an interesting point - could there be a "base" lag time present in the lag tester which always is added to (i.e., inflates) readings? It seemed to me that the first batch of LCDs tested with this device were giving consistently higher readings than had been achieved using other methods.
LCDs have an average "base lag" of (1 / (rfr*2)) due to the way they work (8ms with 60Hz).


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marqs wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:
Although this raises an interesting point - could there be a "base" lag time present in the lag tester which always is added to (i.e., inflates) readings? It seemed to me that the first batch of LCDs tested with this device were giving consistently higher readings than had been achieved using other methods.
LCDs have an average "base lag" of (1 / (rfr*2)) due to the way they work (8ms with 60Hz).

Interesting, but akumajo was using a CRT for this comparison.


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marqs wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:
Although this raises an interesting point - could there be a "base" lag time present in the lag tester which always is added to (i.e., inflates) readings? It seemed to me that the first batch of LCDs tested with this device were giving consistently higher readings than had been achieved using other methods.
LCDs have an average "base lag" of (1 / (rfr*2)) due to the way they work (8ms with 60Hz).

that's not the pixel response time, though, is it?
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that's not the pixel response time, though, is it?
Yeah, pixel response time is separate from this. As LCDs refresh the whole screen at once, the delay between input signal and display refresh (assuming no processing lag) is almost one frame in the worst case (top-left corner) and near zero in the best case (bottom-right corner), 0.5 frames being the average delay.


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I received my lag tester today. I tested my Sony HX729 today and the tester read about 44ms of lag. However, reviews state that this TV has 32ms of lag. I'm pretty sure I turned off most settings.

Has anyone else received their testers?


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