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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:14 pm 



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When I was a kid I'd spend hours gaming. Now I'm too worried about the technical side to play stuff for long durations.

Although my 9" PVM looks gorgeous image wise...


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:10 am 


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I might be upgrading to a 20M2U tomorrow! Now if I could only find a 20M4U...


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:18 am 



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highlandcattle wrote:
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If you could chose between a PVM 1440QM or 1450QM which then. Sorry about all these questions but I'm pretty clueless!
It appears that the PVM 1440QM already has a scart port that could be handy!


Virtually the same barr the inputs. 40 has SCART as well as RGBS. 50 has RGBS and svideo.


and comparisons to the SONY PVM-14M2E ?


No SCART input on the M2E.
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:26 am 



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Is there any reason to get a Sony BVM20E1 over the BVM20f1?


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:46 pm 


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On paper the E1 is even better than the F1, but I haven't seen any for sale yet (over here). They're very similar with the F1 spec'ed with 900 lines of resolution, while the E1 reaches 1000 lines and is supposedly the best tube Sony ever built. Even the still ultra expensive 32" HD BVM sets are only specified with 1000 lines, but with a much bigger & wider screen.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:28 pm 



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I am of the opinion that having so many verticle lines is silly.

I mean, you want to have 240 lines ideally. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:36 pm 


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I laugh at you and your square pixel fetishism. :lol:

288 = perfect.
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:54 pm 


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the specified lines are meant vertical. They specify the size of a single RGB element on the aperture grill.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:04 am 



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I've had both the 2U and the 4U – its hard to see the difference between the two with 240p content. They are both excellent.

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I might be upgrading to a 20M2U tomorrow! Now if I could only find a 20M4U...


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:38 pm 



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philexile wrote:
I've had both the 2U and the 4U – its hard to see the difference between the two with 240p content. They are both excellent.

Necronopticous wrote:
I might be upgrading to a 20M2U tomorrow! Now if I could only find a 20M4U...


To the untrained eye perhaps. ;) My 800 line set looks better (sharpness and clarity) than a 500 or 600 line set imo.
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:48 am 


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Is there some kind of list of all of the different Trinitron PVM & BVM models with specs? I looked around a little today and couldn't find one easily.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:36 am 


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A good start is this catalogue: http://www.pmotions.com/Public/PDFs/SONY/Displ_00.pdf

It's from 2000, so it doesn't list some of the ultra-high-end 2002-2004 models and none of the older, larger PVMs, but a nice read nevertheless.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:09 pm 



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fagin wrote:
To the untrained eye perhaps. ;)


Oh brother, you really are a character.

fagin wrote:
My 800 line set looks better (sharpness and clarity) than a 500 or 600 line set imo.


Maybe the 4U was better calibrated or just in better shape. I literally had two side by side and it was a nominal difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:27 pm 



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Obviously the :wink: was totally lost on your (lack of) humour. :P
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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:34 pm 



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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:05 am 


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What channel am I supposed to use, or is there a way to change inputs. This thing is complicated! haha

I plugged in the BNC's to the corresponding "IN" colors.

Dunno what I'm doing lol


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:12 am 


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You can use any channel, but you have to assign the input you want to that channel (analogue/RGB/external sync for RGB or YUV with internal sync for component).

Yes, it's a bit complicated at first :mrgreen:

And on the channels above 90 you'll find some test patterns.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:23 am 


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Lol thanks, do you have a photo of the back of your monitor all hooked up?


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:43 am 


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no, sorry, it's not set up right now - don't have the space.

I have a SDI+YUV board sitting in the leftmost slot and the standard RGB/YUV board on the right. I have 75ohm termination plugs on all the output connectors. I'll set it next up when I get my new Dell LCD and I'll take some pictures then, since I want to use the output from the BVM into the XRGB-Mini+Dell to do a direct live comparison.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:38 am 


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No problem thanks for all the tips Fudoh. Finally got my Super Nintendo and Saturn up and running. The picture quality is very nice. Just gotta hook up some speakers to this thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:13 am 



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Sephiroth, are you using the monitor that had 100,000 hours? How do you feel about that? Does anyone know a mean time before failure figure on these CRT monitors?


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:01 am 


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NWrain wrote:
Sephiroth, are you using the monitor that had 100,000 hours? How do you feel about that? Does anyone know a mean time before failure figure on these CRT monitors?


Yea it has over 100k hours and the picture is still amazing. I have no idea when these things fail, seems like they last forever lol. I gotta bust open the front and see the date of manufacture. It's hard to believe this thing was running for over 10 years


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:21 am 


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So far I am extremely pleased with this CRT, amazing monitor really. The only complaint I have is still some slight shakiness. It's not very noticeable when you are playing but it is a bit bothersome. I'm not sure if it's because of my setup or the fact that this thing has been used to death.

I've tested it with both my Super Nintendo/N64 via SCART--->Sync Strike--->VGA to BNC

Any ideas?

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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:09 pm 



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What exact model did you buy? I decided to pick up a BVM-20E1U. I wanted a D series, but they are a bit too expensive.. I have a SNES, Saturn, and a RGB N64, so I will test to see if I run into that problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
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NWrain wrote:
What exact model did you buy? I decided to pick up a BVM-20E1U. I wanted a D series, but they are a bit too expensive.. I have a SNES, Saturn, and a RGB N64, so I will test to see if I run into that problem.



SONY BVM-20F1U, the same one Fudoh originally posted about, just the American model.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:23 am 


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The only complaint I have is still some slight shakiness

can you try a component source (PS2, XBox, Cube...) just to be sure it's not a sync/RGB processing problem ?


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:05 pm 


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Sure I will when I get back from work today. Been playing the AES on it too. Looks amazing


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:56 pm 



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I got my BVM today. It has such an incredible picture. I didn't know a CRT could look this good. So far the only flickering that I come across is certain title screens. The title screens for the Sega Saturn Resident Evil, and Radiant Silvergun flicker. There hasn't been any flickering in the option menus, and playing the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:19 am 


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What you see is interlaced flicker, that's normal for every CRT.

How much did you pay for the E1 ? Hours on it ?


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 Post subject: Re: Fudoh's ode to old display technology
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:51 am 



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$250 with free shipping, and 64,525 operation hours. I was worried at first, but this monitor is very crisp and vibrant. I want to take some photos of various games, but it is very difficult. I need to spend some time to find and read the manual.

Update: The TV has been emitting a high pitch noise ever since it was on. Is it normal? Does anyone know what is happening?

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