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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:34 am 


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Fudoh wrote:
Do all the HDMI mods available output to full range RGB without any user-selectable options ?

GCVideo-DVI has a menu option to switch between limited and full range. It's easier on the Cube though because the signal needs to be converted from YCbCr to RGB anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:29 pm 



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Anyone here know if Wii supports 480p over RGB?
Since the framemeister supports 480p over the RGB input, I would like to connect a Wii and force 480p through RGB Scart.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:53 pm 



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Ripthorn wrote:
Anyone here know if Wii supports 480p over RGB?
Since the framemeister supports 480p over the RGB input, I would like to connect a Wii and force 480p through RGB Scart.


http://www.retrorgb.com/wiirgbvscomponent.html

You are going to need a PAL Wii.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:55 pm 


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onegoodsoul wrote:
Ripthorn wrote:
Anyone here know if Wii supports 480p over RGB?
Since the framemeister supports 480p over the RGB input, I would like to connect a Wii and force 480p through RGB Scart.


http://www.retrorgb.com/wiirgbvscomponent.html

You are going to need a PAL Wii.

This does not allow for 480p


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:24 pm 



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onegoodsoul wrote:
Ripthorn wrote:
Anyone here know if Wii supports 480p over RGB?
Since the framemeister supports 480p over the RGB input, I would like to connect a Wii and force 480p through RGB Scart.


http://www.retrorgb.com/wiirgbvscomponent.html

You are going to need a PAL Wii.

Bob's website only talks about 480p over component, not RGB.
It seems that he did not tried 480p trough RGB.

Since the DC and PS2 supports RGB 480p, I would like to know if Wii accepts too.

You don't really need a PAL Wii, just change the region to EUR on a NTSC Wii or change the video option to force PAL60 on any loader.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:45 pm 


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Check out Phonedork's video about Sync on Green. I believe he mentioned getting 480p RGsB on a Wii through a softmod.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:07 am 



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Ripthorn wrote:
onegoodsoul wrote:
Ripthorn wrote:
Anyone here know if Wii supports 480p over RGB?
Since the framemeister supports 480p over the RGB input, I would like to connect a Wii and force 480p through RGB Scart.


http://www.retrorgb.com/wiirgbvscomponent.html

You are going to need a PAL Wii.

Bob's website only talks about 480p over component, not RGB.
It seems that he did not tried 480p trough RGB.

Since the DC and PS2 supports RGB 480p, I would like to know if Wii accepts too.

The Dreamcast doesn't natively support 480p via scart, it's only through a device such as a Garo that this can be accomplished. Also, most agree that the framemeisters handling of 480p leaves much to be desired, so most just hook up their 480p consoles directly to their tv or use the pass through option. Buy a set of wii component cables and call it a day.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:30 pm 



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MetalMilitia wrote:
Check out Phonedork's video about Sync on Green. I believe he mentioned getting 480p RGsB on a Wii through a softmod.

I could not find the video, but I found a facebook post. He says the Wii does not support sync on green.
Even if supported RGsB, I would have to buy an Extron, the thing is I have no intention to buy such device

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The Dreamcast doesn't natively support 480p via scart, it's only through a device such as a Garo that this can be accomplished. Also, most agree that the framemeisters handling of 480p leaves much to be desired, so most just hook up their 480p consoles directly to their tv or use the pass through option. Buy a set of wii component cables and call it a day.

Yeah, I know, it just converts RGBHV to RGBS.
Since the PS2 can do 480p over RGB I thought "Why not Wii?"
Well, PS2's 480p RGB output uses RGsB, not RGBS. Too bad :(

Buying the component cables is the easiest solution, but the TV input is already in use, so this leave me with two options:
Use composhit cables or use the sub par framemeister's video component input. I think the second option is a lot better :mrgreen:

Anyway, looks like my plan to use Wii with scart is going to waste :|


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:57 pm 



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Ripthorn wrote:
MetalMilitia wrote:
Check out Phonedork's video about Sync on Green. I believe he mentioned getting 480p RGsB on a Wii through a softmod.

I could not find the video, but I found a facebook post. He says the Wii does not support sync on green.
Even if supported RGsB, I would have to buy an Extron, the thing is I have no intention to buy such device

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The Dreamcast doesn't natively support 480p via scart, it's only through a device such as a Garo that this can be accomplished. Also, most agree that the framemeisters handling of 480p leaves much to be desired, so most just hook up their 480p consoles directly to their tv or use the pass through option. Buy a set of wii component cables and call it a day.

Yeah, I know, it just converts RGBHV to RGBS.
Since the PS2 can do 480p over RGB I thought "Why not Wii?"
Well, PS2's 480p RGB output uses RGsB, not RGBS. Too bad :(

Buying the component cables is the easiest solution, but the TV input is already in use, so this leave me with two options:
Use composhit cables or use the sub par framemeister's video component input. I think the second option is a lot better :mrgreen:

Anyway, looks like my plan to use Wii with scart is going to waste :|


I've never tried this method, but it's worth mentioning, have you thought about the wii2hdmi adapter? Understandably this adapter has its own issues, but it may be a better solution than feeding 480p through your xrgb.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:15 pm 



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I have my NTSC Wii processed by my XRGB mini Framemeister. If anyone would like to see captures using my Elgato HD60S, let me know.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:52 pm 



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onegoodsoul wrote:
I have my NTSC Wii processed by my XRGB mini Framemeister. If anyone would like to see captures using my Elgato HD60S, let me know.


any chance you could do a side-by-side comparison of component via xrgb-mini vs tv input?


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:06 pm 



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Here are screenshots from a NTSC Wii outputing 480P using Official Nintendo Component cables through a Framemeister using FBX's Gamecube FZero Progressive Wide profile.

http://imgur.com/a/SJ6fo

I don't have a way of capturing 480p directly to my television.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:25 pm 



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I also run my NTSC (US) Wii into the Framemeister for processing using component cables. I mainly do that for the Virtual Console (240p games w/ scanlines), and quite a few of my GameCube games are only 480i.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:39 pm 



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So I've been having issues getting a good picture on the Mini when using a Scart Switch.

I've tried a Bandridge, a GScartsw and the Hydra...

Using a 1.5m SCART male to male cable, I can achieve a decent picture with some artefacting present if you look closely. Anything longer and it just goes horribly wrong and flicks in and out of sync.

I'm using the mini-din to SCART connector with the sync separator powered by the USB port from Retro Gaming Cables but I also have various passive adapters as well. The passive ones produce horrible interfere artefacts - the USB powered one at least gives a mostly OK picture.

...but if I run a console directly TO any of the adapters, the picture is flawless. So, basically, inserting a switcher in the middle ruins the image.

Any thoughts on what I could troubleshoot here?


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:41 pm 



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dark1x wrote:
So I've been having issues getting a good picture on the Mini when using a Scart Switch.

I've tried a Bandridge, a GScartsw and the Hydra...

Using a 1.5m SCART male to male cable, I can achieve a decent picture with some artefacting present if you look closely. Anything longer and it just goes horribly wrong and flicks in and out of sync.

I'm using the mini-din to SCART connector with the sync separator powered by the USB port from Retro Gaming Cables but I also have various passive adapters as well. The passive ones produce horrible interfere artefacts - the USB powered one at least gives a mostly OK picture.

...but if I run a console directly TO any of the adapters, the picture is flawless. So, basically, inserting a switcher in the middle ruins the image.

Any thoughts on what I could troubleshoot here?


Have you tried increasing the sync level in the FM? I have to use a higher number in mine when using a scart switch, with the Saturn I have to use a level of 20


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:41 pm 



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Kagigod wrote:
dark1x wrote:
So I've been having issues getting a good picture on the Mini when using a Scart Switch.

I've tried a Bandridge, a GScartsw and the Hydra...

Using a 1.5m SCART male to male cable, I can achieve a decent picture with some artefacting present if you look closely. Anything longer and it just goes horribly wrong and flicks in and out of sync.

I'm using the mini-din to SCART connector with the sync separator powered by the USB port from Retro Gaming Cables but I also have various passive adapters as well. The passive ones produce horrible interfere artefacts - the USB powered one at least gives a mostly OK picture.

...but if I run a console directly TO any of the adapters, the picture is flawless. So, basically, inserting a switcher in the middle ruins the image.

Any thoughts on what I could troubleshoot here?


Have you tried increasing the sync level in the FM? I have to use a higher number in mine when using a scart switch, with the Saturn I have to use a level of 20

Yep. Has no impact on the situation.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:21 pm 


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dark1x wrote:
Yep. Has no impact on the situation.


Have you tried turning Sync mode to off on the Framemeister just to check? Try it turned off with the various passive and active adapters to see if there's a change.
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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:42 pm 



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FBX wrote:
dark1x wrote:
Yep. Has no impact on the situation.


Have you tried turning Sync mode to off on the Framemeister just to check? Try it turned off with the various passive and active adapters to see if there's a change.

I've tried that too. No change.

The only way to get a perfect picture is to remove the Scart switchers from the chain.

All of my mini-din to SCART cables work fine if it's just a console connected directly.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:01 pm 


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dark1x wrote:
FBX wrote:
dark1x wrote:
Yep. Has no impact on the situation.


Have you tried turning Sync mode to off on the Framemeister just to check? Try it turned off with the various passive and active adapters to see if there's a change.

I've tried that too. No change.

The only way to get a perfect picture is to remove the Scart switchers from the chain.

All of my mini-din to SCART cables work fine if it's just a console connected directly.


Weird. So there's gotta be something the Framemeister isn't liking about those switchers. I know people have used at least one of them before with the Framemeister without issue, so it's very peculiar.
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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:38 am 



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dark1x wrote:
Using a 1.5m SCART male to male cable


How long is your total cable run? In my experience longer runs will expose poor cables so maybe try switching out your 1.5m one for a higher quality or shorter one if possible.

Also try switching off and unplugging any other equipment in the room. I had interference problems that were caused by a faulty power supply in my DVDO edge. These were undetectable when plugging a console straight into the FM but the longer cable run of my switching setup exposed it. To be clear the DVDO wasn't being used, it was simply plugged into the mains and on standby.

I'm using daisy chained Bandridge switches with my FM with no issues. I'd estimate my total cable runs for each console to be around 2m. I too have powered scart to mini din adapter from retrogamingcables. I experienced sync dropouts with the passive one but no interference.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
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dark1x wrote:
FBX wrote:
dark1x wrote:
Yep. Has no impact on the situation.


Have you tried turning Sync mode to off on the Framemeister just to check? Try it turned off with the various passive and active adapters to see if there's a change.

I've tried that too. No change.

The only way to get a perfect picture is to remove the Scart switchers from the chain.

All of my mini-din to SCART cables work fine if it's just a console connected directly.


Are you using CSYNC Scart cables??? Perhaps you're using a JP21 cable somewhere in the chain.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
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So I actually just grabbed a PVM yesterday and hooked everything up. Running through any of the switches to the PVM produces a flawless picture on the PVM. Not even a hint of visible noise. Looks fantastic.

That's SCART -> BNC

When I do SCART -> Mini-din into the Framemeister, though, the problems appear

Very annoying. :(

I've tried various suggestions here and nothing is doing it, unfortunately. No JP21 cables in the chain, of course, and I've tried to isolate it away from power issues. Ah well.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
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I have no audio when using the switch thru the framemeister... but if I turn to RGB and play ff3 on snes. then i have audio. any clue?!

edit: nevermind, switching back to hdmi and now I have audio again.


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:48 pm 


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Hello everyone! New member here and I just want to say that I really respect and appreciate all the work you guys do over here...

Anyway,
I've been noticing a weird visual glitch with my Sharp Twin Famicom connected to my HDTV thru an XRGB Framemeister.

Best way for me to describe it is as a "weird color hiccup/wipe" that happens every now and then with movement. Now I managed to take a video of the problem so you guys can view it and maybe let me know what YOU all think it looks like:

https://youtu.be/2IW_1zq6tOA
(details of the glitch are listed in the description)

Do you have any idea of what it is or what may be causing it? Any help would be wonderful. It's connected via Composite, but I'm not sure if it could be the cables. I figured if it were the cables, I should've seen the problem from startup and at least more consistently. It's a weird glitch that only happens almost every few seconds with movement.

Also, I'm using a makeshift Sony AC adaptor with the proper input jack.

The Official Famicom Twin Adaptor (UADP-0041CEZZ) specs are:
7.6V / 1.25A / center positive

The Sony (SCPH-120) adaptor I'm using has these specs:
7.5V / 3.0A / center positive

Do you think it being .1V less may be causing the "jumpy" colors? (I'm still curious if any of you have ever encountered a glitch like this)

Any help would be MOST appreciated!
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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
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I have a framemeister connected to the dvi input of a dell 2007fp monitor.All was working well until recently i got a green screen display

The frameister displays perfectly through a straight hdmi connection to any of my TVs

I also have an ossc which displays perfectly into the dvi input of the dell 2007fp monitor.The same cables used including the hdmi to dvi adapters used for the framemister and the straight hdmi to dvi lead [in different and all combinations]

I have used 2 different adapters plus a straight hdmi to dvi lead.All give green screen when connected to the framemister and dell monitor via dvi input.All were once working perfectly with the frameister.All work perfectly in various combinations whilst connected to ossc and dell monitor
Again the framemister displays perfectly into any straight hdmi connection on my Tvs
I have also tried reflashing the firmware but the same result

I am at a total loss with this one and short of throwing it through the window i have posted here
ANY IDEAS ?
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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:10 pm 


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farankoshan wrote:
Do you have any idea of what it is or what may be causing it? Any help would be wonderful. It's connected via Composite, but I'm not sure if it could be the cables.

First, the obvious, did you try to connect it to another monitor, tv or pc capture card, bypassing the Mini completely?
That's what I'd try first to rule out an issue with the Mini.

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Do you think it being .1V less may be causing the "jumpy" colors? (I'm still curious if any of you have ever encountered a glitch like this)

No.


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TheShadowRunner wrote:
farankoshan wrote:
Do you have any idea of what it is or what may be causing it? Any help would be wonderful. It's connected via Composite, but I'm not sure if it could be the cables.

First, the obvious, did you try to connect it to another monitor, tv or pc capture card, bypassing the Mini completely?
That's what I'd try first to rule out an issue with the Mini.

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Do you think it being .1V less may be causing the "jumpy" colors? (I'm still curious if any of you have ever encountered a glitch like this)

No.


Thanks for allowing the post and the reply! :)

Actually, I did think about that... coz I upgraded my HDTV from a SONY to this SAMSUNG, because of its stellar refresh speed with Game Mode (this TV boasts a really low input lag in its category).

But I would totally hate it if it doesn't play nice with my Framemeister... :(

This weird color wipe also happened with my SNES once before... from the video I shared, what does that glitch look like?
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Hey FBX. I'm sure you get tons of requests, but any chance of making Wii VC profiles for 720p and 1080p? I know lots of people use the Wii for retro games, so I know it would be appreciated if these profiles were available. Thank you for all of your work so far!


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MetalMilitia wrote:
Hey FBX. I'm sure you get tons of requests, but any chance of making Wii VC profiles for 720p and 1080p? I know lots of people use the Wii for retro games, so I know it would be appreciated if these profiles were available. Thank you for all of your work so far!


I don't have a Wii (sorry).

On a good note, I added a Super NES 720 profile for 4k TV users (always use 720p output if you can help it when hooking the Framemeister up to a 4k set).

http://www.firebrandx.com/downloads/framemeisterprofiles-318-2017.zip


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 Post subject: Re: XRGB-mini Framemeister
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:46 am 



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farankoshan wrote:
Hello everyone! New member here and I just want to say that I really respect and appreciate all the work you guys do over here...

Anyway,
I've been noticing a weird visual glitch with my Sharp Twin Famicom connected to my HDTV thru an XRGB Framemeister.

Best way for me to describe it is as a "weird color hiccup/wipe" that happens every now and then with movement. Now I managed to take a video of the problem so you guys can view it and maybe let me know what YOU all think it looks like:

https://youtu.be/2IW_1zq6tOA
(details of the glitch are listed in the description)

Do you have any idea of what it is or what may be causing it? Any help would be wonderful. It's connected via Composite, but I'm not sure if it could be the cables. I figured if it were the cables, I should've seen the problem from startup and at least more consistently. It's a weird glitch that only happens almost every few seconds with movement.

Also, I'm using a makeshift Sony AC adaptor with the proper input jack.

The Official Famicom Twin Adaptor (UADP-0041CEZZ) specs are:
7.6V / 1.25A / center positive

The Sony (SCPH-120) adaptor I'm using has these specs:
7.5V / 3.0A / center positive

Do you think it being .1V less may be causing the "jumpy" colors? (I'm still curious if any of you have ever encountered a glitch like this)

Any help would be MOST appreciated!


Could be a number of issues that you're going to have to experiment with. When you plug your famicom directly to your tv, do you experience this issue? I doubt the "jumpy" colours are related to the adapter, but it's also not out of the question. I would first try hooking it up directly to you HDTV- it's going to look like crap but at least you can rule out a faulty system. If it happening when it's connected directly to the HDTV then you know it's not your XRGB. Question - have you tried running it in Game1 mode?


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