This is a fun discussion, but should probably be split into shmups chat (or merged with Tonk's old valuation thread.)
> I agree.
so what CAVE pcb's are sub $400? I think thats about the max I would ever spend for a single game.
(I guess Dodonpachi has left that bracket now...)
> I agree here as well
I don't think any of the prices will climb further.
Impossible statement to make with any kind of accuracy, but I see where you're coming from. Anything could (and probably will) happen. I personally see the whole lot falling before it rises again, and I reckon the second rise will stratospheric (but a loooong time off - like ten years.)
> I meant in the immediate future, so I agree with your assessment.
I mean, when you think ESP Ra. De., you think $200
It has risen slightly above that these days. That's like a 2008 price.
> Last 2 I've seen, including the one that sold 2 days ago were $200.
And Guwange has been more or less $500 forever
Not when I bought it (£125)
> I meant within the past 3 years.
I think Mushi's climbed a bit beyond that for a PCB now.
> I still don't know what the going rate for a Mushi PCB is then, because the 2 that I tried to move for $400 sat.
I have a mate who got the iPhone versions, and has now moved on to get the Platinum versions of Futari and Espgaluda II for 360. I'd bet he's not alone. The Cave hype is on the gain right now, which might even push us long standing die hard fans even further into collecting (God forbid we look like new Cave fans! ). Cave is in the mainstream press, getting promoted at times on XBLA, employing an international PR at it's Japan HQ, starting a proper English language website alongside it's blog etc etc. A little bird tells me a certain Asada might even be at E3 (more on that when I hear more).
Surely all that means those alluring PCB's will become all the more desirable.
Not so sure mate. Like I said, I see a drop first.
Oversaturation and commercialisation of Cave as a brand doesn't necessarily mean a boost in desirability in hardcore collecting circles. What usually happens if you kill scarcity? (Like Cave and their sodding reprints?) You immediately impact the desirability and after market price.
If anything, the diluting of their core genre (shmups) into multimedia phone and text adventures will more likely dull their shine because they'll fail to be a 'niche' developer any more, and will no longer publish for the arcade.
I think the new breed of shmuppers will prize hunting down ports over pcb's, and us, the small hardcore gaming market, will be left to deal amongst ourselves.
> Pretty much.
I've seen Ketsui kits fall, DOJ BL posters drop to a third of their value. Cave are killing their merchandising scene - seriously, does anyone give a fuck any more? They produce such an abundance of junk and matsuri's theres little impetus to go on a collecting hunt. Pants, mugs, keyrings, flipping tablemats! It's all rubbish and I think people are finally starting to twig. Certain older tidbits can't even sell, like Zak's bundle of Cave merch that at one point would have disappeared in the blink of an eye, or The Chop's Pink Sweets poster which, despite never being reprinted at a Matsuri, is harder to shift than a hooker outside an HIV clinic.
These things indicate a decrease in hype imo, at least from the fervour there was two years ago.
But regarding the older boards rising: I actually don't think this has as much to do with Cave as it does with older PCB's becoming more desirable in general. Garegga has been escalating on YHJ for years now along with other classic boards.
> The average gamer doesn't know who Cave is.
> Also, I can't comment on Cave merchandise. The only thing I ever wanted was the Ketsui light up cube.