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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:59 pm 


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I think I agree with my father that this'd be better without Harrison Ford. Cautiously optimistic, though.


Specially if, like the trailer sugests with that "Look! It's Harrison Ford!" scene, he'll be there just for the sake of it.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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Apparently a new trailer was shown at CinemaCon.
Not on the interwebs yet, but you can read about it here.

EDIT: Apparently trailer cums out Wednesday.
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Theater owners and executives leaving the auditorium at Caesar’s Palace where the footage screened cited the preview as the highlight of a presentation that also included looks at “Spider-Man: Homecoming” and “Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle.”


Talk about damning with faint praise.


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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:36 pm 


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Theater owners and executives leaving the auditorium at Caesar’s Palace where the footage screened cited the preview as the highlight of a presentation that also included looks at “Spider-Man: Homecoming” and “Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle.”


Talk about damning with faint praise.


That is pretty wtf worthy. I mean... Jumanji? People give a shit about that?
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:57 pm 


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It's an order of magnitude more popular than Blade Runner, so it's not Chips...

Zathura did horribly, but this one has The Rock in it and name recognition! It'll print money as hapless 30 somethings drag their innocent kids to this thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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It's an order of magnitude more popular than Blade Runner, so it's not Chips...


Apparently not, if you read the article...

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Zathura did horribly, but this one has The Rock in it.


Hori Shitto! I don't particularly hate stuff w/ the Rock in it... I also have seen very little. He seems campy and fun... also seems like a nice guy in person. But after toying w/ remaking Big Trouble in Little China he's getting dangerously close to getting a lump of coal in his stocking this Xmas.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 5:35 pm 


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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 6:24 pm 


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Merciful Christ Almighty . . . . . .

Every new frame of this looks more like fan fiction. I'm also getting a distinct malodorous whiff of Cloud Atlas from this.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:01 pm 


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I hope the soundtrack is good.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:46 pm 


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For some reason I only just watched the full trailer.

Looks pretty poor doesn't it? I thought the Atari logo was the best part - the rest of it reminiscent of some kind of Blade Runner-ish movie, that isn't Blade Runner but more like alternative sci-fi with an altered aesthetic and theme.

Blade Runner is about darkness: there is no light. So bringing light into the world alters it fairly drastically. I'm not saying it can't be a good film and it can't be pulled off, so I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it - but I have reservations about quite a lot in this trailer.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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Skykid wrote:
For some reason I only just watched the full trailer.


My calculations tell me because it was only released a few hours ago...

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Looks pretty poor doesn't it?

No.

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Blade Runner is about darkness: there is no light.


The light does set it apart from the first, and I'll admit it gives me pause, but that's a pretty piss poor stance (at this point anyway) to say it has to be shot entirely at night because it's predecessor was.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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They screwed up Tron and Star Wars. This will be no different.

Also, Deckard better not be human. Then again, it doesn't matter because telling me ruins one of the strengths of the original story.

Thankfully, Brazil and Time Bandits are still safe from these corporate whores. There's no money in ruining those stories. Thank goodness for that.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:51 pm 


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Skykid wrote:
For some reason I only just watched the full trailer.


My calculations tell me because it was only released a few hours ago...


yeah I had no idea. I just stumbled on it and was expecting another teaser.

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Looks pretty poor doesn't it?

No.


Sure ok, so then tell me what about it, in your opinion, looks good?

Indulge me.

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The light does set it apart from the first, and I'll admit it gives me pause, but that's a pretty piss poor stance (at this point anyway) to say it has to be shot entirely at night because it's predecessor was.


I didn't say that at all. I said it tonally alters the aesthetic to a point where it's Blade Runneresque rather than Blade Runner actual.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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Sure ok, so then tell me what about it, in your opinion, looks good?

I wouldn't say it looks good or bad, personally. It looks like nearly every other big budget sci-fi film trailer in the past ten years. The way I see it there is no way to know how much of that can be contributed to the standardization of the way big budget film trailers are cut these days vs the actual similarity of the film to nearly every other big budget sci-fi film in the last ten years.

Statistically speaking I feel like it's probably safer to assume this will be more risk averse, run-of-the-mill, every-human-being-is-our-target-demo shlock that most fans of the original will generally find offensive, but I'm just not sure a trailer like this is enough to say one way or the other.

I liked Villeneuve's Arrival, and, hey, Fury Road happened somehow. I'll just wait and see what happens, personally.


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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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No director, no matter how talented, can salvage a shit script.

I already know the plot of this film because it's such a dreadfully old cliche. Bog-standard Robot Jesus storyline. Visuals already used by "No Asians in the Shell." I'll tell you how the whole movie goes right now:

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Logan 5, I mean Gosling-bot, is programmed to be a blade runner but one of the replicants he kills says something that fills him with doubt about the world order. He finds out about Deckard, who's this legendary figure among the replicants leading a resistance or some shit. Gosling-bot tracks him down, they have a heart-to-heart, then suddenly corporate security blows up Deckard's house and kills Deckard in the process. Creepy touchy Tyrell jr. reveals to Gosling-bot that he was specially created to doubt so he could help them track down and kill Deckard once and for all. Gosling-bot is enraged, regains the trust of the remaining replicant resistance, and stages an uprising. In the end he sets the replicants free from slavery and causes Tyrell jr to die a deeply ironic death.


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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:11 pm 


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Sure ok, so then tell me what about it, in your opinion, looks good?


Most of it? Warm synths? Burning man costume inspiration? Visual direction (which isn't a stretch since we know the director can direct)?

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it's Blade Runneresque rather than Blade Runner actual.


well, it is a sequel after all...

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Visuals already used by nu-Ghost in the Shell.


Whilst we can argue whether GiTS was aesthetically pleasing or not, you can tell the substance apart from the trailers. I can anyway. Then again, I walk around and frame randos in 35mm in just about any free moment I get. Not saying it'll be awesome... saying I would definitely not write it off based on anything we've seen yet. Arrival's story on the surface is hardly ground-breaking, but the execution was another story.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 2:58 am 


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Like I said, and as Necronopticous pointed out, judgement will be reserved until I've seen it since the cookie cutter nature of the trailer assembly at the very least gives little away about the quality of the filmmaking.

That said "warm synths, Burning Man costume inspiration, and visual direction" aren't the elements I would ever pin my hopes on because they're superficial components that are lesser in every way to script, screenplay, casting and direction. When the best piece of dialogue you hear is a line from the original movie, there's some apprehension - but then it could easily be them holding back on giving too much away, which I'd respect.

The most important thing I can do at this point isn't to analyse the trailer, but to watch Arrival and see what this chap is capable of as a filmmaker.
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 Post subject: Re: Blade Runner 2049
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Oy, everything looks so damn clean, shiny and polished. I don't like that. Where's my dirty, slimy city? :(

But : Denis Villeneuve has an excellent track record so far. So let's wait and see.


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That said "warm synths, Burning Man costume inspiration, and visual direction" aren't the elements I would ever pin my hopes on because they're superficial components that are lesser in every way to script, screenplay, casting and direction. .


Such things are hard to tell from a trailer though (sans casting)... unless they're awful (see: GiTS). I guess I get why some people have sand in their clits over this... I just don't think it's a great argument. "It's glossy... it looks like 30 years of technology has happened..." :?
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hard to tell, it has some promising elements like the visuals, some great actors and the music seems to be spot on.. also has some absolutley shit elements like ridley scott and harrison ford.. could go either way.
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That said "warm synths, Burning Man costume inspiration, and visual direction" aren't the elements I would ever pin my hopes on because they're superficial components that are lesser in every way to script, screenplay, casting and direction. .


Such things are hard to tell from a trailer though (sans casting)... unless they're awful (see: GiTS). I guess I get why some people have sand in their clits over this... I just don't think it's a great argument. "It's glossy... it looks like 30 years of technology has happened..." :?



Hard to tell from this trailer, yes, although absolute scripting clangers regularly find their way into trailers and indicate the quality of the whole.

What did you think was awful about GiTS. I didn't think it was worth all the anti-hype. Had some chronic mishaps at the finale, but otherwise it wasn't bad.
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hard to tell, it has some promising elements like the visuals, some great actors and the music seems to be spot on.. also has some absolutley shit elements like ridley scott and harrison ford.. could go either way.


Hopefully Ridley Scott was too busy destroying Alien and just threw some money at them.

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Hard to tell from this trailer, yes, although absolute scripting clangers regularly find their way into trailers and indicate the quality of the whole.


The Prometheus trailer was great. In fact, I think it was our very own Sven that said, "Looks awesome! Which means only one thing... It'll suck..." or something to that effect.

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What did you think was awful about GiTS. I didn't think it was worth all the anti-hype. Had some chronic mishaps at the finale, but otherwise it wasn't bad.


Disclaimer: I did not see it. Video maybe. But, from the trailer alone I could tell that the script was pretty bad. Even the positive reviews affirmed as such. There was more about The Major's (notice how I properly prepended it w/ 'the') backstory in the trailer than all previous media combined. Zero subtlety in any way. And while I love Depeche Mode, a covered song by them doesn't belong in GiTS. True, I've not seen it, but I'm going off of "the best bits are in the trailer" theory here. I've seen nothing in 2049 that's going to make me assume it'll suck huge balls.

And yes, while we're at it, the people involved have way more credibility than GiTS did. If this didn't count for anything nobody would follow directors.
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I enjoyed the trailer. It did what it is supposed to do with a trailer these days I guess. Gives you some portion of the story, and then a bunch of jumbled up scenes that look interesting and look like this movie could not suck. It could go the way of the original and be a cult hit many years after the fact!
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Personally, I think the new trailer revealed too much content when the movie release is months away. WTF is with that ATARI segment clip?
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Of course, nowadays what's in the trailer isn't even necessarily part of the actual movie...


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Heh heh, when I watched this, an ad played and it was the trailer. All ~2 minutes of it. So, the trailer played before the trailer. Them google algorithms need a little work eh.

Rich Evans already threw his lot in, which is pretty zoomy. A+ youtobbing, Richard.

I'm more than okay with the Atari logo. For gods sake peoples, it's a movie. An alternate reality completely divorced from our own. These kind of differences are usually better than not having them - it has us talking about this thing, doesn't it?

Like the visuals. They are fine.

Despise that Harrison Ford is shoehorned in. It's o-k for Harrison to not be in movies anymore.


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The Prometheus trailer was great. In fact, I think it was our very own Sven that said, "Looks awesome! Which means only one thing... It'll suck..." or something to that effect.


Not sure why you mentioned Prometheus, but yes, I recall there being some script facepalms in that trailer. Lo and behold the film had 80% more.

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The script is fine in terms of spoken dialogue. The rewrite is also fine because Oshii's GiTS is vague to the point of a fault, so I didn't mind that they made it more palatable. I have big issues with the final act, which I've been into several times now, but otherwise it's surprisingly good sci-fi and not at all of the kuso grade commercial "journalists" would have you believe.


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There was more about The Major's (notice how I properly prepended it w/ 'the') backstory in the trailer than all previous media combined. Zero subtlety in any way.


It's impossible to know the Major's story from the trailer.

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And yes, while we're at it, the people involved have way more credibility than GiTS did. If this didn't count for anything nobody would follow directors.


Sure, that's because Rupert Whatshisface made Dickbag and the Huntsmen. Nevertheless he served GiTS fairly respectably all in all.

This Denis guy, I checked his backlog and think I glanced at a movie called Prisoners when on the plane, which I remember switching off for being kind of awful. Could have just been my mood though.

Otherwise I have no idea what he's about, but I'll be sure to watch The Arrival prior to BR2049.
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Rich Evans already threw his lot in, which is pretty zoomy. A+ youtobbing, Richard.


What's utterly brilliant about that, is that basically is what the average moviegoing slack jaw considers acting. I keep telling people that strip away the lights, camera, CG, ACTION, and you're left with Rich Evans doing a braindead face in front of a green screen.

Nobody believes me though.
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Not sure why you mentioned Prometheus, but yes, I recall there being some script facepalms in that trailer. Lo and behold the film had 80% more.


B/c the trailer was seen well received for the most part, and look at how that turned out...

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Nonetheless, there is more mention of it in the trailer...

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Arrival was great. Sicario was apparently great but never got around to watching it. One of those me and the gal almost went to see in the theater, then... didn't. Maybe here soon as I'm settling in.
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Arrival was great


Geddoudahere! Arrival was a stinker :)
Maybe skykid was referring to The Arrival (1996) - David Twohy? Which is an hilariously bad film.


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