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Do you think they're REALLY going to repeal Obamacare now that they can?
Yes, they're honorable men who would never lie, they said they were gonna, so it's going to happen 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
No, the insurance companies would disapprove of that 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
Maybe, I just don't know anymore 50%  50%  [ 8 ]
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Sorry, but this is not true. He made the posts in /r/The_Donald. That is not a humor site, but *the* legitimate Trump subreddit. And he said far, far worse, including, ironically, asking that 4chan dox people *he* didn't like. There's a lot of misinformation on this, but when you create a picture of two dozen CNN employees with Stars of David next to them, you're no longer just being humorous. If you actually had read his posts, you'd be appalled, especially since they weren't in "black humor" subreddits.

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most of the posts are from iamgoingforhellforthis, which is just black humor
to be honest he does seem to be a complete dumbass I would rather not know but I don't think that a news network should be going after identities of some random people and threatening them because the president tweeted a fairly innocent image he made (compared to some of the posts)

Wow, selective much? Oh, yeah, the token T_D at the end. Seriously, I saw dozens of his posts---with FAR FAR worse said---outside of igthft.


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He made the posts in /r/The_Donald. That is not a humor site,

In your opinion.

Has Trump banned all Muslims yet? Seriously, does anyone here really believe an ever-increasing amount of Muslims in this country is a good thing? The projection is that they will account for 2% of the population in something like 20 years. And "only" 8 percent of the current 3.3 million think suicide bombing is "sometimes or often justified".

Also, I like our history and our culture. If I want to experience a different one I'll take a vacation.

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most of the posts are from iamgoingforhellforthis, which is just black humor

I think there is legit hate here. What do do-gooding liberals think is going to happen when you force disparate groups of people to live together?


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On one hand, Pelosi's opponent is really cool and good.

On the other, I really kind of want an army of space marines.

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does anyone here really believe an ever-increasing amount of Muslims in this country is a good thing?


Yes. The Catholics didn't turn out so bad.

This country already sucks the fat one. How could they possibly, possibly, possibly, make it any worse?


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BryanM - here we are in agreement. Jaffe seems cool and all, and Pelosi needs to go, but Space Marines!


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Oh, yeah, the token T_D at the end. Seriously, I saw dozens of his posts---with FAR FAR worse said---outside of igthft.

that's funny, because I'm czech and I seriously don't know one person who would disagree with that statement (and no, they aren't extremists and think commiting hate crimes against said group is retarded)
meanwhile in america media hunts down people on the internet over making the same statement while pretending they're evil nazis
what a weird country


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I'm surprised you can say stuff like "dumb fucking Chinks" or "fuck off nigger" on Reddit and not be banned. Shows what I know about that site. I actually thought they had deleted r/The_Donald by now.

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Yes. The Catholics didn't turn out so bad.

Discrimination against Catholics was not based on anything as serious as a dozen massacres. I believe they were the ones on the receiving end of violence.

Islam is antithetical to western liberal values.

Muslims and Islam: Key findings in the U.S. and around the world

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Across the seven Muslim-majority countries and territories surveyed, a median of 68% of Muslims said they view Westerners as selfish. Considerable shares also called Westerners other negative adjectives, including violent (median of 66%), greedy (64%) and immoral (61%)...

They don't share our values and do not respect us.

Why are people so anxious to welcome people from such a low reward and high risk pool? I know it's the liberal party line, but maybe it's time to wisen up a bit?


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A gem from my local paper:

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The desire to keep these people away from our country mystifies me. Their respectfulness and work ethic are obvious. The suffering of those left behind is unimaginable.

The anti-immigration movement represents ignorance and fear. America should stand for courage and generosity. We have so much power to help.

These Africans can help teach us those good values.

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But it has been a hard year. In September, Riek's 19-year-old son was arrested for a murder in the Campbell Airstrip Road area.

O_O Just a little misstep on the way to teaching us backwards Americans good values. You are fascist Nazi scum if you don't embrace this kind of thing.


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Christianity is also opposed to secular liberal values.


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mamboFoxtrot wrote:
I'm surprised you can say stuff like "dumb fucking Chinks" or "fuck off nigger" on Reddit and not be banned.


Secretly, it's just 4chan with better PR. And a rating system so each forum can downvote and maximize the echo chamber. (BryanM is still salty getting nuked into the ground by pointing out VR is just strapping a TV to your face in r/Futurology)

It's the American Karaoke Hero of internet forums.

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Christianity is also opposed to secular liberal values.


The particular sect matters a lot. Quakers were the only group who stood up and opposed slavery back in the day.

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Islam is antithetical to western liberal values.


Religion is antithetical to liberal values. Which means we should write off the human species as a whole and fly the planet into the Sun. Which we'll work on right after we get those Chaos Space Marine corps installed. It takes time, man.

Eh, I get it. You didn't like Samurai Cop nor Killing American Style. Seems a bit harsh to write off every single person in North Africa to South Asia just because of that.

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Discrimination against Catholics isn't based on anything as serious as a dozen massacres.


It is interdasting to claim Catholics never hurt anybody tho

"They're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." Hm.


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"They're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." Hm.

Yeah, but those are brown people! The light-skinned Catholics are OK (I mean, I guess, in retrospect).

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Yeah, but those are brown people! The light-skinned Catholics are OK (I mean, I guess, in retrospect).

I can tell that you are enlightened. Which Muslim-majority country would you most like to live in?


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BryanM wrote:
Religion is antithetical to liberal values.

I think Islam is a bit more egregious.

Part II. Who are the Terrorists?

This article is interesting because its authors think they are proving something other than there being a built-in, multi-generational problem with Muslim immigration.

...What exactly are we gaining for taking on this threat of extremist violence?

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It is interdasting to claim Catholics never hurt anybody tho

What were some massacres that occurred contemporaneously with Catholic immigration to America? I just don't see a significant similarity between the two.


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They don't share our values and do not respect us.

Somehow that's never stopped us, current administration very much included, from selling a bunch of weapons to (and, frequently, sweeping applicable atrocities under the rug for) whichever particular batch of them happens to serve our (richest citizens') interests at a given moment, with no regard for the suffering it would cause to the rest of the region...not like that's ever come back to bite us in the backside in grand fashion or anything, though.
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Rob wrote:
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Yeah, but those are brown people! The light-skinned Catholics are OK (I mean, I guess, in retrospect).

I can tell that you are enlightened. Which Muslim-majority country would you most like to live in?

Depends on when. I know I'd fare a whole lot better in Alexandria 50 years ago or (Istanbul even more recently) than Northern Ireland 50 years ago.

Question is, which country has a majority Muslim population and a liberal, secular Constitution. I'd leave America in a heartbeat if it weren't for that little legal detail, a detail that many in places I left want to do away with. I don't suppose you already forgot about Matthew Shepherd, right? We've come a long way, but never confuse the present for either past or future situations.

What Christian theocracy do you want to live in?


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Across the seven Muslim-majority countries and territories surveyed, a median of 68% of Muslims said they view Westerners as selfish. Considerable shares also called Westerners other negative adjectives, including violent (median of 66%), greedy (64%) and immoral (61%)...

They don't share our values and do not respect us.

Ever consider that there may be a non-religion-based reason for this? Certainly not the rape and pillage of most of the countries at various points in time by western countries, most of the recent ones being by the U.S. specifically (or by groups funded/trained/etc by the U.S.).
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Depends on when.

It's a simple question. It shouldn't be that hard. :wink:

The worst thing I ever get from a Christian is an awkward invitation to church.

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Somehow that's never stopped us, current administration very much included, from selling a bunch of weapons to (and, frequently, sweeping applicable atrocities under the rug for) whichever particular batch of them happens to serve our (richest citizens') interests at a given moment, with no regard for the suffering it would cause to the rest of the region...not like that's ever come back to bite us in the backside in grand fashion or anything, though.

Yeah, this is despicable, and it keeps placing us everyday non-politicians in this position of feeling guilty and like we need to make amends for things we do not authorize. So they make a bloody, flaming mess and then we must atone by taking in people who will not assimilate and might even want to kill us.

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Ever consider that there may be a non-religion-based reason for this? Certainly not the rape and pillage of most of the countries at various points in time by western countries, most of the recent ones being by the U.S. specifically (or by groups funded/trained/etc by the U.S.).

Of course. They can feel perfectly justified in their hatred, but that doesn't make it any less incomprehensibly stupid to take them in.


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that doesn't make it any less incomprehensibly stupid to take them in.


While the situation in Europe is different from ours, being right next door to the tire fire we've made of the middle east, your concerns aren't without consideration.

We've been accepting refugees from this region for over two decades now. How many of them have committed terrorism? What's the murderer rate among these people? Is it higher or lower than a random human born on US soil?

It's easy to read a story about an honor killing and think "that's fucking horrific", but when a white person rapes and kills his daughter, we don't suddenly start fearing white people.

The Muslim population has already been a small but pivotal part of the history of the USA. Besides being a good victim for the Forever War, they gave us George W. Bush the first. Talk about an Ouroboros.

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The worst thing I ever got from a Muslim was listening to him argue politics with his buddy on his cellphone.

I consider the lady apologizing for lingering in the middle of the Wal-Mart aisle not too bad. It is unforgivable to get in the way of mah Wal-Marting, but this king can forgive it.


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Rob wrote:
The worst thing I ever get from a Christian is an awkward invitation to church.

Oh, you're so clever! Hey, let's just boil everything down to simplistic but wrong assumptions!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Your willful ignorance is astounding.


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o.pwuaioc wrote:
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The worst thing I ever get from a Christian is an awkward invitation to church.

Oh, you're so clever! Hey, let's just boil everything down to simplistic but wrong assumptions!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Your willful ignorance is astounding.

Thankfully it's not Christians that are being imported en masse.
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Question is, which country has a majority Muslim population and a liberal, secular Constitution.


Iran did, but then their democratically elected leader started fucking with the oil industry's profits and the CIA replaced him with the Shah.

The CIA trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan and declassified documents show that they encouraged the fighters to view the war as a fundamentalist jihad against the evil Russian atheists.

Syrian refugees are trying to get AWAY from ISIS. The vast majority of terrorism victims in the world are muslim.

Right now the number one enemy fighting a brutal war against ISIS are the Kurds. Guess what religion they are?

If you think Fundamentalist Christians can't be as scary as Fundamentalist Muslims, you've probably never worked for Planned Parenthood.

The reality of the political situation in the middle east isn't as bite-sized and simple as what pop-psychologist Sam Harris is selling.


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o.pwuaioc wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

That's really cute. Please post more anti-white, pro-immigration propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks


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Rob wrote:
o.pwuaioc wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

That's really cute. Please post more anti-white, pro-immigration propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks


Ah, look, the KKK in you comes out. Very nice. Glad to know I'm talking to a Nazi-sympathizer, whom I can now ignore.


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Ah, look, the KKK in you comes out. Very nice. Glad to know I'm talking to a Nazi-sympathizer, whom I can now ignore.

Well played. Calling people racist is always the winning move.


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Yeah, this is despicable, and it keeps placing us everyday non-politicians in this position of feeling guilty and like we need to make amends for things we do not authorize.

Unfortunately, we do authorize these things by continuing to elect representatives (and the corporations who own them) who shamelessly play to our basest reptile-brain fears by promising to be "tough on (Islamic) terror", but not only refuse to address the root causes of it but directly fuel them, not only via arms sales and buffet-table approaches to human rights, but via the tomahawk launches and Guantanamo Bays which, in your own words, allow Muslims to feel "perfectly justified" in their hatred for the West.

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Thankfully it's not Christians that are being imported en masse.

Because they're already here en masse. So should we be deporting them or what? :P

While we're on the topic, when Rob mentioned a few posts ago that a survey in several Muslim countries found that a majority of citizens had a negative opinion of Westerners, I wondered two things: 1) If a similar reverse-survey was taken of Christian nations, I'd be curious to know how frequently those same terms would be applied to Muslims (not to mention how many would support, say "armed uprising" as "sometimes or usually justified"), and 2) What the response would have been, in either case, had they asked why the respondents polled as they did. I can basically guarantee you if they asked most any Muslim why they viewed the West negatively and added "It's because you hate their values, right?" the response would be "No, stupid, it's because they've propped up autocrats, stolen our resources, and bombed us halfway back to the stone age for decades on end." If you asked the same of the Christians the response would be similar, though here in the West we've experienced the Muslim world's belligerence in much smaller doses and with much less frequency; as Mischief says, the vast majority of Islamic terror victims are Muslim and thus far out of our field of vision.

Methinks it's clear that nobody, regardless or political affiliation, wants to "let everybody in" without question (if memory serves applications for refugee status already take up to two years to clear), but methinks a blanket ban based on either religion or country of origin (it's sometimes unclear which one takes priority when someone mentions a "Muslim ban") would be yet another instance of failing to confront the true causes of Islamic terror while simultaneously stoking the resentment which fuels it.
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your concerns aren't without consideration.

Of course they aren't. Not only do I know that they are a greater health risk than the average boring white, but I also prefer western civilization.

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but when a white person rapes and kills his daughter, we don't suddenly start fearing white people.

When Ann Coulter sounds more world-wise.

"We have our own problems, we have our own poor people, we have our own criminals."

We don't need a new family with one son arrested for murder, another for armed robbery and another for sexually assaulting a child. This is just a local thing from our small Alaskan city. I don't have time to keep track of the crime elsewhere, but I can tell you that the mugshots are really 'diverse' here.


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Ah, look, the KKK in you comes out. Very nice. Glad to know I'm talking to a Nazi-sympathizer, whom I can now ignore.

Well played. Calling people racist is always the winning move.

Ah, you would know, as you literally said I promoted anti-white propaganda. :roll: If you're going to spout racist ideals, at least man up and state what you are. Otherwise you're a coward, too.

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We don't need a new family with one son arrested for murder, another for armed robbery and another for sexually assaulting a child. This is just a local thing from our small Alaskan city. I don't have time to keep track of the crime elsewhere, but I can tell you that the mugshots are really 'diverse' here.

We should enforce an Alaska ban.


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Unfortunately, we do authorize these things by continuing to elect representatives (and the corporations who own them) who shamelessly play to our basest reptile-brain fears by promising to be "tough on (Islamic) terror", but not only refuse to address the root causes of it but directly fuel them, not only via arms sales and buffet-table approaches to human rights, but via the tomahawk launches and Guantanamo Bays which, in your own words, allow Muslims to feel "perfectly justified" in their hatred for the West.

I typically don't like to excuse people for their ignorance and stupid decisions, but Trump won a lot of people over with "America first"/non-interventionist rhetoric, and it was an immediate switch after the election. The Syria episode has been the one instance where his diehards started to show signs of waking up.

Key findings on how Americans view the U.S. role in the world

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Americans are wary about how much the U.S. should be involved globally. Nearly six-in-ten Americans (57%) want the U.S. “to deal with its own problems and let other countries deal with their own problems as best they can.” Just 37% say the U.S. should help other countries deal with their problems.

When the majority doesn't want interventionism and the corporation-owned government continues against our wishes... This is where things get into conspiracy nut territory I choose not to explore.

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1) If a similar reverse-survey was taken of Christian nations, I'd be curious to know how frequently those same terms would be applied to Muslims...

Yes, here were the results:

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Westerners’ views of Muslims were more mixed. A median of 50% across four Western European countries, the U.S. and Russia called Muslims violent and a median of 58% called them “fanatical,” but fewer used negative words like greedy, immoral or selfish. A median of just 22% of Westerners said Muslims are respectful of women, but far more said Muslims are honest (median of 51%) and generous (41%).

More importantly: What Europeans think of a ban on Muslim immigration

We have a situation where Muslims (by and large) have a low view of westerners and Europeans (by and large) don't want Muslims. Yet there they go.


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you literally said I promoted anti-white propaganda.

You did, but don't worry - it's popular right now. ;) And you should know that it's not racist to hate white people, so keep it up.


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o.pwuaioc wrote:
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Ah, look, the KKK in you comes out. Very nice. Glad to know I'm talking to a Nazi-sympathizer, whom I can now ignore.

Well played. Calling people racist is always the winning move.

Ah, you would know, as you literally said I promoted anti-white propaganda. :roll:

Also, you're literally promoting racism! How are you not a racist if you're promoting one race over another? "We have our own people." Yeah, white people. We don't need no black people! Cognitive dissonance, deep denial. If you're going to spout racist ideals, at least man up and state what you are. Otherwise you're a coward, too.

It's not healthy to import droves of adult men from non-English speaking countries with poor standards of education and values which conflict with the host country on several levels. Effort and capital must be spent on educating them to give them a proper chance for a stable job with a stable income, else you're left with men living on welfare or a low-income job, in a foreign country where they only know others who are in the situation as them, barely versed in the national language, and bored outta their fucking mind. The latter usually translating to misbehavior of all kinds. The last thing what you want to do is then increase the intake, as that is bound to create ghettos and 'no-go zones'. Yet barely any Western country is equipped to train such a massive volume of migrants, and any attempts at 'speed-training' such as in Germany to get migrants in the workforce ASAP was met with failure and discontent employers.

If they've got a decent education and a decent prospect at a job in a foreign land, then there'd be comparatively less harm in letting them in, as there are already plenty of native unemployed bad hombres who could also use some attention and we don't need to add more to the pile, let alone people already discontent with the host country. Personally I'd also prioritize letting in migrants looking to reunite with their family, as they will have some sort of guide and stepping stone to help them settle in a foreign country. It's good for PR too.
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