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Do you think they're REALLY going to repeal Obamacare now that they can?
Yes, they're honorable men who would never lie, they said they were gonna, so it's going to happen 31%  31%  [ 4 ]
No, the insurance companies would disapprove of that 23%  23%  [ 3 ]
Maybe, I just don't know anymore 46%  46%  [ 6 ]
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Lyv wrote:
I'm kind of surprised you've heard about this in the US.


You really have to actively go out and search for it, the TV certainly isn't going to give us anything that matters. I think the current cycle is:

* Trump is a Putin puppet that's going to cede all of Asia to Mother Russia and give'em our nuclear codes.

* Whatever zany thing Trump is distracting us with today. (The function of the president is not to wield power, but to distract us from those who do.)

* Trump calling the corporate media "fake news."

* Intersplice as they happen the latest nonpartisan tragedy and milk it for all the money its worth.

Nothing really about how the global economy and culture is undergoing a generational shift.

And nothing on the more esoteric fronts, such as how it appears that Chelsea Clinton really is going to try to enter politics. (Guess they have to try to keep going for the sake of the spent bribes.)

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I think his point is more like: Suppose Obama was president and replace all of the "endorsed Clinton" on that list with Breitbart clones. Would you think the media was biased in that case?

The thing is, for that analogy to hold water you need to assume that the entirety of the "mainstream" (or whatever you care to call it) media is coming from the same self-serving foregone conclusion as the Breitbart sector (or Fox, for that matter), i.e. they openly declare that everything else is so biased in one direction that they not only can, but must go completely off the deep end in the other direction, in the name of "balance". The "mainstream" media has many, many faults, and is obviously not magically free of any and all prejudice, but it doesn't adopt the same mission statement/excuse for ludicrous behavior and slapdash, reactionary "reporting" that the "alt-right" and its ilk do, and its endorsements and other coverage are nowhere near as foreordained.

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From what little I know, the USA already has the highest corporate tax rate in the Western world

As others have noted, this is an extremely tortured stance to take (not that plutocratic apologists have missed a beat, of course), but the reason I posted what I did is because Trump is merely the latest in a very long line of economic conservatives to insist that by throwing as much money as possible at the super-rich, everyone will eventually benefit. The only problem is, despite many, many indulgences thrown their way over countless decades, it's never even come close to happening: when the rich get richer, they don't hire, they don't invest, and they sure as hell don't raise wages, especially in an economy suffering from sagging demand like we have now. Whenever they get a new tax break, subsidy, exemption, or - my personal favorite - a "tax holiday" wherein cheats who have been hiding their profits overseas can bring them back into the USA with absolutely no penalty, which means they not only get out of prosecution for tax evasion, they still get to evade the taxes (man oh man, those billionaires have it so tough :lol:), they use almost every last cent of it for increased executive compensation, share buybacks or other perks which workers never. ever get within spitting distance of.

What makes the "trickle down" argument even more ludicrous is that these same apologists proudly subscribe to the Ayn Randian "greed is good" pseudo-philosophy, which maintains that personal avarice is the only legitimate motivation for anything, and that if you're letting morals, ethics, human empathy or anything else get in the way of your desire to further enrich yourself for even a moment, you're Doing It Wrong. As such, whenever they propose a new gift for the rich they trot out "trickle-down" to convince people that it'll be totally worth it, but when the promised benefits inevitably fail to materialize - because, after all, the rich are just practicing Pure Reason - it immediately turns into "we're not running a goddamn charity here, quit complaining and get back to work, slacker" (also feel free to include a canned statement about "fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders")! And once the next plan to coddle the rich comes up, if anyone remembers how badly it failed last time, just insist that we obviously didn't coddle them enough yet - once we give them even more, it'll totally start raining hundred-dollar bills!

It's about as pretty a sham as anyone's ever been shameless enough to cook up...and somehow, some way, the entirety of the rabidly liberal media never quite seems able to put two and two together on this subject, let alone actually call anyone out on it.

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BulletMagnet's dilemma is that he can't do this. You can take a few guesses as to why, but by now it's hilariously transparent at least to me.

Because I don't intend to yet again use this thread's latest side trip as means to redirect or abandon the current unfinished conversation and hope nobody notices until the next as-if-nothing-happened reboot of convenience?

Because I don't ignore and dismiss direct queries on the loopy pretense that the fact someone responded to something I or a favored figure said - you know, as people tend to do when discussing matters of import - automatically means I'm "winning"?

Because I don't insist that there are mysterious, amorphous, More Important Things To Talk About than the "red herring" that the current leader of the free world and the political wing which enables him are both irredeemably full of shit, and flippantly deflect requests for further discussion on the grounds of You Losers Wouldn't Get It Anyway?

Because I view the fact that a modern, information-age presidential election can still be won with a cocktail of impotent bombast, shameless dog-whistling and a wholesale rejection of quantifiable fact (with a hefty side of creative redistricting and "anti-fraud" voter suppression) as a problem in need of fixing as opposed to an opportunity ripe for not only exploiting, but openly celebrating?

Because I'm not a complete asshole? :lol:
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They didn't win, we lost. There's a distinction between the two. There's no "dog whistle" anymore either - they have to use a blowhorn just to dredge up Romney Numbers.

The symbolic bill to expand Social Security only has one co-sponsor. As opposed to the 16 S.J.Res.46 (Iraq war) got. And even that is very out of character for her, and yet another obvious signal Gillibrand is running in 2020. I find that somewhat comforting - if the rumors about Hillary running again were true, people like Booker and Gillibrand wouldn't even be wasting their time on this stuff. Our fucking government man.

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Good news for quash, the fucking DNC went with Tom "you don't bring a spoon to a corporate-lobbyist-funded knife fight" Perez.

Trump is going to be a two-term president by default.


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I actually laughed when I heard that. They don't learn.

If there were ever a time to start a new party, it's now.

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Because I'm not a complete asshole? :lol:


Because you are afraid, and with good reason. The ideas I present, to use a term you like, make sense.

You wouldn't have spent all this time reframing, obfuscating, and sometimes even fabricating things that I say if there weren't truth behind them. You also would have paid more attention to things what I write (you and others clearly only care to see what you want to see in my views) and spent more time actually arguing instead of resorting to shameless sophistry and evasion.

If we're going to have any further discussion, I'm going to have to ask that you actually try to understand what I'm saying. Because you have clearly been trying to show that I'm wrong, vice gaining a sufficient understanding of my views to actually prove it. If I wanted to hear the DNC's talking points presented in a nauseatingly conceited manner, I'd watch Last Week Tonight.

Prove to me you aren't a complete sycophant, because right now there is no difference between what you argue and what I see every single day on the news.


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If we're going to have any further discussion, I'm going to have to ask that you actually try to understand what I'm saying.

Then make it real simple for me and anyone else who hasn't already walked away in disgust, as I probably should have done ages ago: what the fuck are you saying? And no "already said it, you figure it out" cop-outs; if you're going to flippantly abandon the heaps of contention points from your most recent screed in favor of yet another "no, no, all of that totally misses the point" reboot by waving yet another goddamned red herring in my face, it'd better be a big one. That said, I certainly have no doubt whatsoever that it'll be a whopper. :lol:

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Sorry, but when your candidate, like yourself, prefers to "respond" to even straight, non-editorial coverage by delegitimizing and blacklisting outlets left and right, and your favored alternative is shit like this, there's no way I or any other person with two brain cells to rub together can take your unique brand of "media criticism" seriously.
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Good news for quash, the fucking DNC went with Tom "you don't bring a spoon to a corporate-lobbyist-funded knife fight" Perez.

Trump is going to be a two-term president by default.


Lets go with a Safe Space choice. :roll:

I can't stand the DNC and this is further proof for me.


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Not gonna lie former Trump supporter here. It's been hilarious watching him crash and burn. In all seriousness we cannot let this man get the nuclear codes.


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Good news for quash, the fucking DNC went with Tom "you don't bring a spoon to a corporate-lobbyist-funded knife fight" Perez.

Trump is going to be a two-term president by default.

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It's worth noting that the Clinton Global Initiative went tits up after Hillary lost because all their wealthy financiers pulled their support. Weird coincidence that all those middle eastern oil billionaires stopped caring about getting AIDS drugs to Africa right at the same time that it was clear Hillary was never going to be president.

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Not gonna lie former Trump supporter here. It's been hilarious watching him crash and burn. In all seriousness we cannot let this man get the nuclear codes.


Not only does he already have them, but for $200,000 YOU CAN HAVE THEM TOO!


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Not gonna lie former Trump supporter here. It's been hilarious watching him crash and burn.

Congratulations. 8) Better late than never, I suppose. As for the crashing and burning, what I've seen seems to be a smooth continuation of what was going on before the election. I'm actually impressed that he's basically kept his word on campaign promises, no matter how heinous and generally unpopular they are.


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Not gonna lie former Trump supporter here. It's been hilarious watching him crash and burn. In all seriousness we cannot let this man get the nuclear codes.


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It's nice of you to share yet another picture from your wank bank, Cee but it's probably not the place for it.
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Rob wrote:
Bananamatic wrote:
Not gonna lie former Trump supporter here. It's been hilarious watching him crash and burn.

Congratulations. 8) Better late than never, I suppose. As for the crashing and burning, what I've seen seems to be a smooth continuation of what was going on before the election. I'm actually impressed that he's basically kept his word on campaign promises, no matter how heinous and generally unpopular they are.

(That was a meme)
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If you go back before Obama, these coronations of our owners went off without a hitch. No competition whatsoever; the TV spoke and the masses did what they were told. It was a miracle he won his primary. He has to be the most disappointing "revolution" in world history.

Good thing the racist billionaires carried the day once more. Anti-Palestine donors, anti-Semitic voters: A yen-yang thing the democrats got going on there.

I'm still beyond optimistic: There was some blood drawn last year. And if it bleeds, we can kill it.

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Not only does he already have them, but for $200,000 YOU CAN HAVE THEM TOO!


To be fair, there's no codes in that bag. Just places we'd nuke depending on what particular circumstances we're facing. In the end it's probably not worth too much in the end of the day - you can't locate submarines, you can't move a city, silos are kinda obvious, all this stuff is probably redundant inside every major SCIF adjacent to these weapons.

After you put down your $200k all you might get for it is a sheet of paper with the words "EVERYONE DIES :D" in red crayon on it.


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Uh, it's correct?

Alright, I'll go with "this is not the place for such things" so you can understand.
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Then make it real simple for me and anyone else who hasn't already walked away in disgust, as I probably should have done ages ago: what the fuck are you saying? And no "already said it, you figure it out" cop-outs; if you're going to flippantly abandon the heaps of contention points from your most recent screed in favor of yet another "no, no, all of that totally misses the point" reboot by waving yet another goddamned red herring in my face, it'd better be a big one. That said, I certainly have no doubt whatsoever that it'll be a whopper. :lol:


See? You aren't even pretending to be interested in a dialogue anymore. It's painfully clear that you are more interested in projecting your own flawed conceptions of opposing views onto my own. And you can't say that you actually comprehend or even read everything I'm saying because it's clearly not the case.

You said that nobody had explained why it was better to provoke China than Russia. Not only should you, as the so-called informed citizen you are be able to apply some critical thinking as to figure out why this is, but I actually did say this and it wasn't even that far back: because China is an emerging, revisionist power, whereas Russia is teetering on collapse. Desperate states have been known to start wars, but ambitious states are far more so.

What I'm saying, and what I've been saying since the first post of mine in this thread, is that the lens through which we've been told to see the world is wildly distorted. Invade countries, then invite them. Attack terrorists, then blame terrorism on our interventions. Make college free so everyone can get a degree, lowering the value of said degree in the workforce. We can't seem to get some of the most basic things right anymore, and yet the body politic seems to be more than content with this.

What I saw in Trump was someone with a vested interest in changing this status quo. He may not have made his platform as clear as he could have, but I saw that he was in fact very knowledgeable on what America's been doing abroad, and to me, that was and still is priority one. You can choose to believe that Assad is somehow worse than ISIS (because clearly, I'm the one who "doesn't care" what happens there :lol:), but at the end of the day we supported an attempted overthrowing of a sovereign government, and now we've got to clean up the mess.

Again, you can choose to believe whatever you want. Lord only knows I'm not convincing you of anything you don't already want to think about me. But as I see it, the Trump we see at debates and rallies is Adam West's Batman, whereas the Trump we see in more sedated settings more resembles the cunning Batman from the comics. I think I said towards the beginning of this thread that Trump attracts both the least and most informed people, and I still stand by that: his antics have beget widespread acceptance of his policies and viceversa. But you and others act surprised (disingenuously so) that a politician can get away with this kind of stuff, as if it hasn't been happening for nearly twenty years now, albeit not in such a grandiose manner.

So really, all I'm saying is that our chickens have come home to roost. The Republicans (for whom I never once voted for before this election) need to own up to Trump. But so do the Democrats, the fringe elements on both sides of the political spectrum, and, quite frankly, anyone and everyone that's ever taken a bald faced lie at face value from our elected representatives. This is our creation, and this is what we have to work with.


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the Trump we see at debates and rallies is Adam West's Batman, whereas the Trump we see in more sedated settings more resembles the cunning Batman from the comics.

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The Republicans need to own up to Trump. But so do the Democrats


They're both more than thrilled a corporation is still in the White House. I'm sure all of them are quaking in their boots from their massive paychecks they'll continue to collect thanks to your hard work.

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Better get rid of public schools. Don't wanna devalue a high school diploma.

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the Trump we see at debates and rallies is Adam West's Batman, whereas the Trump we see in more sedated settings more resembles the cunning Batman from the comics.

:|

who's your favorite trump

michael keaton or christain bale
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quash wrote:
But as I see it, the Trump we see at debates and rallies is Adam West's Batman, whereas the Trump we see in more sedated settings more resembles the cunning Batman from the comics.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-twitter-staffer-235263

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President Donald Trump’s former campaign staffers claim they cracked the code for tamping down his most inflammatory tweets, and they say the current West Wing staff would do well to take note.

The key to keeping Trump’s Twitter habit under control, according to six former campaign officials, is to ensure that his personal media consumption includes a steady stream of praise. And when no such praise was to be found, staff would turn to friendly outlets to drum some up — and make sure it made its way to Trump’s desk.

"If candidate Trump was upset about unfair coverage, it was productive to show him that he was getting fair coverage from outlets that were persuadable," said former communications director Sam Nunberg. "The same media that our base digests and prefers is going to be the base for his support. I would assume the president would like to see positive and preferential treatment from those outlets and that would help the operation overall."


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President Donald Trump’s former campaign staffers claim they cracked the code for tamping down his most inflammatory tweets, and they say the current West Wing staff would do well to take note.

The key to keeping Trump’s Twitter habit under control, according to six former campaign officials, is to ensure that his personal media consumption includes a steady stream of praise. And when no such praise was to be found, staff would turn to friendly outlets to drum some up — and make sure it made its way to Trump’s desk.

"If candidate Trump was upset about unfair coverage, it was productive to show him that he was getting fair coverage from outlets that were persuadable," said former communications director Sam Nunberg. "The same media that our base digests and prefers is going to be the base for his support. I would assume the president would like to see positive and preferential treatment from those outlets and that would help the operation overall."


I HAVE DECIDED THAT THIS BLATANTLY MADE UP NARRATIVE IS FALSE BECAUSE IT INDICATES THAT TRUMP IS SLIGHTLY IMPERFECT AND MY FRAGILE WORLDVIEW CANNOT HOLD UP TO SUCH BULLSHIT
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I knew all it'd take would be a pop culture reference. Somehow, those never fail.

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Here's one more pertinent to this forum: Donald Trump is the Dark Souls of presidents.


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It's the unceasing hero worship that gets me. I can almost understand if someone has a pet issue or two and thinks the guy is a shitty means to an end, but people can't leave it at that.


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Some people are culture warriors and were heartbroken when Obama was elected. They thought Sesame Street had broken their perfect little world into a billion pieces, that it was impossible to win again, and here comes daddy Trump gluing that busted glass right back together again. Like that fixes anything for them.

They... they still think we're not turning into Norway for some reason.

Possibly because they're non-materialists. Don't believe in the things that are real, just imaginary things.

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Here's one more pertinent to this forum: Donald Trump is the Dark Souls of presidents.


Counterpoint: He's the Herbert Hoover of presidents.


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Here's one more pertinent to this forum: Donald Trump is the Dark Souls of presidents.

are you saying the next one will be worse


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You know, the more I think about quash's Trump = Batman analogy, the more it makes sense!

They're both silver spoon scions of family fortune who hire models as arm candy in a desperate attempt to convince the world they lead this 1960s Hugh Hefner playboy lifestyle, but in truth their lives revolve around getting in fights at 3am with people who set off their mental triggers.

Both have the resources at their disposal to really make a positive change in society, and both squander those resources on unnecessary military hardware. The solutions they actually do try have an endless history of failure. "I'm putting you in Arkham Asylum, Joker! Surely you won't escape this time!" "I'm going to deregulate the banks and give the wealthy a trillion dollar tax cut. Surely that won't cause a great recession/depression this time!"

And pretty much the only reason why either of these broken men ever manage to win is because their opposition is incompetent to the point of self-sabotage:

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