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 Post subject: Raizing Interview - Sotoyama Yuuichi and Yokoo Kenichi
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:58 am 


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Here is the Raizing interview from Shooting Gameside #1. It was very fun to read and translate, and the interview style, albeit less conversational and more conventional, allows the developers to talk at length about their work. The main focus is the Mahou Daisakusen series and Soukyuugurentai, but there are interesting anecdotes and trivia regarding Batrider and Garegga, as well.

I wanted to release this without delay, but I plan to add some prototype/development pictures from the interview, with translation notes, sometime next week. There's some interesting early ideas that had to be dropped from their games due to time/budget/programming constraints, and these design notes (replete with scribbly handwriting that's a bit of a nightmare to read) are quite interesting... there's hidden characters that never got added, early notes on the Chinese martial arts prototype design for Mahou Daisakusen, and design notes for an initially planned 3D/2D mode in Soukyuugurentai. I won't be adding everything because I don't want to upset Shooting Gameside, but there's 3 or 4 images I think everyone should see.

Oh, and I added hotlinks for convenience for some of the more important or obscure references made in the interview. Enjoy! Don't forget to support Shooting Gameside if you can... next month is the Technosoft feature!

Next I'm going to translate either a doujin roundtable discussion with ZUN and several others, or the remaining 7 Cave interviews from the 2007 Cave Shooting History book (Asada and Yagawa are available online already, I believe).


RAIZING Developer Long Interview - Sotoyama Yuuichi and Yokoo Kenichi
From Shooting Gameside Vol. 1

Sotoyama Yuuichi
Eighting Co. Managing Director
Development Dept. Section Chief

Development Project History
Independent
Vilzam (MSX / 1985 * Published by Login magazine)
Tecnosoft
Kugyokuden (MSX2 / 1987) Porting
Feedback (MSX2 / 1988) Design / Programming
Herzog (MSX2 / 1988) Design / Programming
Shinkugyokuden (MSX2 / 1988) Porting
Compile
Musha Aleste (Megadrive / 1990 * Distribution: Toaplan) Main Programming (also assisted Planning)
Seishi Senshi Spriggan (PC Engine / 1991 * Distribution: Naxat Soft) Main Programming
Spriggan Mark 2 (PC Engine / 1992 * Distribution: Naxat Soft) Design / Scenario / Main Programming
Raizing
Mahou Daisakusen (Arcade / 1993) Main Programming
Shippu Mahou Daisakusen (Arcade / 1994) Main Programming
Soukyuugurentai (Arcade / 1996) Design / Main Programming
Soukyuugurentai (Sega Saturn / 1997 * Distribution: EA) Port Programming
Great Mahou Daisakusen (Arcade / 2000 * Distribution: Capcom) Main Programming

Yokoo Kenichi
Eighting Co. Development Dept.
Development Section Subleader

Development Project History
Compile
Spriggan Mark 2 (PC Engine / 1992 * Distribution: Naxat Soft) Assistance
Dennin Aleste (Megadrive CD / 1992) Initial Mech Design
Raizing
Mahou Daisakusen (Arcade / 1993) Graphic / Story / Characters
Mazinger Z (Arcade / 1995 * Distributor: Banpresto) Initial Design Draft
Shippu Mahou Daisakusen" (Arcade / 1994) Design / Graphics / Characters
Soukyuugurentai (Arcade / 1996) Characters
Soukyuugurentai (Sega Saturn / 1997 * Distribution: EA) Design
Battle Garegga (Arcade / 1996) Story / Guest Character Graphics
Armed Police Batrider (Arcade / 1998) Story / Characters
Great Mahou Daisakusen (Arcade / 2000 * Distribution: Capcom) Design / Graphics
Eighting
Golgo 13 Kiseki no Dandou (Arcade / 2000 * Distribution: BandaiNamco Games) Motion / OP demo


—Of all the games you've developed so far, what are your favorites?

Sotoyama: For consoles, Spriggan Mark 2. For arcade, Soukyuugurentai.

Yokoo: The first arcade game I worked on, Mahou Daisakusen, and also Soukyuugurentai, which was a very difficult project that we somehow managed to pull together. And although it wasn't an arcade game, I feel like we managed to create an arcade style console game with Kururin Squash! (Gamecube), which I also really like.

—What games or other things led you to have an interest in game development? Also, please tell us a bit about your childhood.

Sotoyama: My initial motivation could be summed up as: "I want to play Space Invaders at home!" Space Invaders, Star Wars (Episode IV), and Kidousenshi Gundam all came out right around 1980, and every home computer magazine was featuring articles about Star Wars and Gundam games. At that time I was in the 5th year of elementary school [[tr note: age 10-11]], and though it would have been great if we had bought a Sharp MZ-80 or NEC PC-8001 as our first home computer, we unfortunately ended choosing Hitachi's Basic Master Level 2, a rather minor model. So the fact that I couldn't run hardly any of the games that I was seeing in these magazines and had no choice but to try and make games myself was a big influence on me I think. Also, in the Hitachi's manual there was a list of 68k assembler instructions, and several years later, by middle school I had learned assembly to some degree. I believe it was around my 6th year of elementary school that I entered a Hitachi programming contest and won 8000 yen for a game I had made and submitted. At this time I was already thinking "I want to be a game programmer in the future." After that we upgraded to an MSX, and I started reading "Login" and "MSX Magazine." In high school I made games that got published twice in Login, and I recieved some money for that. In total I got around 300000 yen, and combined with money from my part-time job I bought a motorcycle. The influence for that too came from Login, I believe, where I saw a picture of Nakamura Kouichi posing with the motorcycle he bought with money from a Login programming contest he won. Now that I think of it, if my family had bought a popular MZ-80 or PC-8001 in elementary school, I might have just spent all my time playing games in those magazines and never learned to program...

Yokoo: When I was in my 5th year of elementary school, Pacman was really popular, but none of the places that had it allowed children to enter so it was closed off to me. So I made a board game version of Pacman in my notebook that I played with my friends, and we all started making original board games in class. Making board games like that isn't anything serious, but I think it was the first time I experienced the pleasure of seeing other people enjoy something I had created. In high school I would draw pictures, put together models, and play games... I was a pretty clueless nerd, but when I look back its mysterious how all those things are a real part of my work today. Especially with models, where I was wracking my brain trying to make this plastic, 10 inch figure look like the real thing, I feel there's a lot of similarity between that and games, where you're trying to create a realistic world.

—Sotoyama, are there any personal computers you had a particular attachment to?

Sotoyama: If I had to say, probably the first model MSX. At the time Microsoft and ASCII were waving the flag declaring that this was the first computer with a "unified standard for home computers," and that really made me dream about what could be possible if the home computer wars were over. Ads were published in every newspaper announcing the MSX, and I was so excited about it that I had them posted on the wall in my room for quite awhile.

—If you had to list your three favorite games, what would they be?

Sotoyama: Zanac (Famicom), Colony Wars (Playstation), and Soviet Strike (Playstation).

Yokoo: Musha Aleste (Megadrive), Pilotwings 64 (N64), and Geometry Wars 2 (X360), I'd say. Though if I could I'd list three titles for each system.

—If you have any memories of when you met, please share them with us.

Sotoyama: I think Yokoo joined Compile in the spring of 1991, but we had a lot of people join then, like Matsuoka, currently of M2, and many other intense personalites, so I'm sorry to say I don't really remember Yokoo joining. (apologizes) After that, though, Yokoo distinguished himself as an excellent pixel art designer. After leaving Compile, together with Kazuyuki Nakashima we all joined Raizing to make arcade games.

Yokoo: Part of the reason I joined Compile was because I loved Musha Aleste. After I was hired I went straight ot Sotoyama and gushed to him about Aleste, saying things like "When the Noh mask mid-boss appears in level 5, the way the music syncs up with the action is awesome!", and I'll never forget how he just casually dismissed my praise, replying "That was just a coincidence." He probably doesn't remember that though. (laughs)

—In 1993 Eighting and Raizing were established. What was the relationship between the two companies?

Sotoyama: The development was done by Raizing, while sales and distribution were done by Eighting. There wasn't any special meaning beyond that I think.

—Did you have a design philosophy in mind with regard to developing arcade shooting games?

Sotoyama: We only had experience devolping console games and were now in the position of starting an arcade game development company, so if we had any design philosophy, it was probably just to experiment and try out everything we could.

—What made you choose a sword and sorcery fantasy world as the setting for a shooting game in Mahou Daisakusen?

Yokoo: In the beginning it was titled Haougekiden Saifuaa [[tr note: the Japanese is 「覇王撃伝 砕破」 , which means something like Dynasty Shooting Legend - Blast!]]. and was planned around a Chinese martial arts theme, but some staff from Toaplan gave us some advice that "shooting games should have worldwide appeal," so in order to attract more players we revised the game, and Mahou Daisakusen was the result. Also, by 1993, the writing was already on the wall that if you were going to design a successful shooting game, it needed to be something a person of any skill level could enjoy. So we changed the world of the game with the goal of making it inviting to the large number of players who were into console RPGs. As for the powerup system, we intentionally followed Musha Aleste on that.

—With a fantasy world as the basic setting, what made you add steampunk elements, ninjas, and other such things?

Yokoo: Although we had a sword and sorcery motif for the reasons above, in order to make such things like the player's shot and the explosions more flashy, we added mecha elements to the design. To increase the fun players have destroying things, I would say rather than steampunk per se, we were aiming for a world redolent with the smell of steel and gasoline. As for the ninjas and samurai, as usual Wizardy was an influence, but basically we just wanted to present players with something cool and surprising.

Also, the reason our ship designs had hand-like protrusions was that we wanted to add more personality and character to our ships, but we thought if we used human figures the hit box would be hard to understand and interfere with the game. With that in mind, the ship design was an experiment to see if we could make the operation of the ship and a sense of personality coexist together. The Samurai Dragon Miyamoto character was also a sort of test to see how players would receive a ship completely in human form.

—Please tell us how the four heroes, Gain, Chitta, Miyamoto, and Bonham came to be created.

Yokoo: As for the main character Gain, we were thinking of the tastes of arcade players at the time, so we designed him with a tough and muscular image. When we added his little monkey Shain to his design, it gave him more character. His name was came from a character in the manga Golden Lucky that appeared only once, called "Gainshain," which we thought sounded cool so we referenced it. But around the same time Psikyo's Sengoku Ace came out and had the "Aine Shain" character, so we felt something fateful was going on. Gleylancer also had a boss character named "Gainshain", so I guess we were all just really into Golden Lucky. (laughs)

Chitta was supposed to be a natural magic girl from a rural village, and this was basically done for the effect of what we would call "moe" today. Later we made her do things like an idol concert, but... it seemed it really didn't have the effect we were hoping for. As for her name, at the time our offices were located in Kamada, and we thought the neighboring Kawasaki "Cinechitta" movie theatre had a cute ring to it.

With Miyamoto's name, we were thinking of what people overseas would think, and we boldly declared, "if its going to be a samurai, it has to be Miyamoto!" [[tr note: an obvious reference to Miyamoto Musashi.]]

Sotoyama: Even in a shooting game, we wanted to emphasize a strong sense of character and story, so at the beginning and end of stages we made the characters speak some dialogue. The one I remember is the 4th character, who said "I like bones," so we named him Bonham. It was also a reference to a zombie character in the first part of the manga Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, which I believe itself was a reference by the author Hirohiko Araki to the drummer of Led Zeppelin, John Bonham.

—Please also share with us how enemies such as Bashinet, the Great Gobligan King, and Tsumujimaru were created.

Yokoo: As for the Gobligan King... in the typical "white man's burden" story, a man is expelled from his homeland and ends up leading a group of uncivilized natives, but here we had the idea of the Goblins making him their leader in the hopes that his strength would make them into a powerful army. With this kind of story, we thought that if a normal human was going to be the last boss he would have to have some kind of powerful charisma, and to express that idea we thought "charisma comes from the face." And that's how we ended up having the last boss be a giant face that covers the whole screen.

Bashinet was a continuation of the rival ship "Daia 51" from Musha, but this time we thought since he's a rival, he should be red. We tried to make him look like a Ferrari when we created the pixel art. Basically, we had the idea that everytime he showed up he would be equipped with stronger weapons which would surprise the players. I think at that time, as we filled out the details of the game world, we kept trying to push more and more ideas into the game that would excite and surprise the players in a fun way. People always end up playing stage 1 over and over, so we made the goblin soldiers in the background be always doing something, so that players could feel like they were always discovering something new. We added a lot of little details like that.

For Tsumujimaru, we thought it would surprise players if, all of a sudden at the end of this boss rush with huge bosses, a tiny little boss comes out. And we thought it would be really cool if he was extremely strong. Also, at the time versus fighting games were gaining a lot of popularity, and I personally wanted to try creating an action game type character.

—Gain, Chitta, Bonham, and Miyamoto show up in Battle Garegga and Armed Police Batrider as guest characters. Please tell us the story of how they became the "all-star characters" who would return in so many of your games.

Yokoo: Regarding the guest characters, they didn't originate from any kind of explicit plan--it was the result of the programmers rushing ahead. The truth is that the programmers for Battle Garegga were very fast and went ahead without waiting for the graphics to be done and reused data from previous games. At the time we were using the same pcb hardware so it was easy to reuse the data like this. Also, as we made new games the hardware memory increased so we went and added more characters. The hidden command to unlock characters started with Battle Garegga. But you know, having an "all-star" cast and doing crossovers like that was fun in and of itself, so after Garegga we reused the idea in order not to disrupt the world we had created. So that was part of it too.

Originally, Musha Aleste, Seishi Senshi Spriggan, and Spriggan Mark 2 all felt like they were part of the same chronicle, so there's a connection there too. And we thought that even if there isn't a story that's talked about in the game, and even if there are no connections between the plots, by putting little details into the games that link them together, we hoped to inspire all kind of fanciful ideas in the player's minds.

We also had other guest characters we had initially planned to add to Dimahoo, which for one reason or another didn't come to pass. We wanted to have Yashida Kaoru from Soukyuugurentai as a martial artist, and some kind of beast man that would suggest characters from Bloody Roar, and a dwarf character whose ship would be based off a motif from Battle Garegga. At first we had planned to make 70 year old versions of Gain and Chitta, too, called "Old Man Gain" and "Granny Chitta," but we thought that expanding the world in that way wouldn't make players happy, so we scrapped it. Also, we wanted to include guest characters other than those from the original Mahou Daisakusen, so in the end we added Golden, who was a favorite of the development staff at the time.

—Why did you add a racing element to Shippu Mahou Daisakusen?

Sotoyama: In general, shooting games are designed so that the better you are, the longer you get to play...but we thought, isn't this a problem for game centers, and how could we make a game where the better you were, the shorter the game was? So we tried adding a racing element. There was also some influence from the Megadrive game Road Rash, which people were playing at the development office at that time.

Yokoo: Mahou Daisakusen was an orthodox shooting game, so we thought this time we'd try something a little different by adding the racing element.

—Shippu Mahou Daisakusen also has multiple endings depending on where you place in the race, and it has divergent stage paths in the race courses. Please tell us about how these design elements came about.

Sotoyama: As you can imagine, we wanted people to play our games over and over... we were aiming for a high income for the game centers. Though I don't think the game made that much, unfortunately.

—Please tell us how the elemental system and the treasure collecting came to be in Dimahoo.

Sotoyama: Since just clearing a game is easy, we wanted a system where you would have to use the elements to get a high score and it would therefore become more difficult. At the time, Treasure was developing Ikaruga, which also featured a black/white element system, and since our development periods overlapped, I sensed we were both paying close attention to any pre-release news of each others' games. Our approaches to an element system were different, but I think Ikaruga was better received by players.

Yokoo: The origin of the elemental affinity system came from us thinking, "I wonder if we can make a game that is easier for 2 players to enjoy?" That is, we had an image of a game where the enemies were arranged in such away, with their bullets aimed at each player separately, that you'd have a game flow where each player would need to use a different elemental affinity as they played.

[[tr note: This is sort of fragmentary and vague, but I believe he's describing something like Life Force, in which the enemy layout is clearly pre-arranged for 2P, with the added "elemental" system of Dimahoo meaning that players would each have a role to play using different shot affinities as appropriate. When you consider the way ice/fire enemies often appear simultaneously in pairs, it makes sense!]]

That was also the intention behind having the bombs trail behind each ship and be exchangeable between players, so they could help each other. As for the treasure collecting, that actually wasn't in the initial design plans. If I recall, during development, while testing how to display items we flooded the screen with them, and it looked good. Then someone said "I want to collect more of these items!", and to that end we implemented the treasure system. I remember we were also thinking about how it was fun in older games looking for secrets, and were wondering how we could use idea that as a feature of a modern game. Also, since this was a joint project with Capcom, we were able to put Mobi-chan and Yashichi in there as treasure items.

—Six years passed from the release of Shippu Mahou Daisakusen in 1994 to Dimahoo in 2000. What was the occasion for developing Dimahoo at that time?

Sotoyama: Capcom was talking with different shooting game developers about doing a shooting game for their CPSII hardware, so we started planning Dimahoo. It was the last shooting game I programmed.

Yokoo: Mahou Daisakusen was an orthodox shooter, then we did Shippu Mahou Daisakusen which was a little different, so here we wanted to return to a basic shooting game which would act like a compilation of the Mahou Daisakusen world. While we were thinking about such a sequel, we had a series of talks with Capcom, and we were able to realize the release of Dimahoo, which would retain the style of Mahou Daisakusen while also being "powered up." It wasn't a remake... we intended to make something more analogous to the relationship between Terminator and Terminator 2--an upgraded version of the same theme. The way bomb items were collected was also based on Battle Garegga; we wanted to include things like that which would feel like references to our other games.

—The Mahou Daisakusen series is said to be difficult for the general player, but were there any points you struggled with while setting the difficulty level?

Sotoyama: Personally, we didn't think they were that hard, but... I mean, especially when you compare them to Battle Garegga, aren't they rather easy?

Yokoo: We recognized that if you were simply trying to clear them, they were relatively easy when compared with other arcade games of the time. You could bomb spam through a lot of parts, after all. But at the times versus fighting games were all the rage, and it was extremely difficult for shooting games to draw income at game centers. We had intended to make them easier, if not for that.

—Please share any interesting anecdotes, memories, or struggles you had while developing the three Mahou Daisakusen games.

Yokoo: Deciding on the Mahou Daisakusen name definitely caused us all sorts of problems. At first we had the name "Mahou Daisensou" [[tr note: Great Magic War; "sensou" means war more generally, while "sakusen" connotes a smaller military mission/strategem/operation]], but Irem had just released "Kaitei Daisensou" (In the Hunt) before us. There were many ideas until we came up with the name we have today. The whole staff was racking our brains to come up with ideas every day, and from a total of 108 suggestions we chose "Mahou Daisakusen." The imagery we saw in some of the ideas like "Magic Cop" and "Magic Detective" were influential in the setting of Batrider... maybe.

I also remember the flyer for the overseas version of Mahou Daisakusen, where I drew the character illustrations in the American comic book style. But this wasn't requested by our staff; I just used something I had drawn for myself for fun. It was a laid back time to be making games.

Sotoyama: Mahou Daisakusen was Raizing's first game, so we recieved various advice from Toaplan staff at the time. I think they taught us about the difference between arcade and console games, and how to approach making games that would be profitable at game centers.

—Was there any other advice you received from Toaplan staff?

Yokoo: They also told us things like "Shooting games are about the journey, not the destination, so boss battles should simply be a bonus extra. They don't have to be incredibly difficult to be fun." It was different from our thinking in a number of ways, but those words taught us the value of interesting zako fights, and in that respect we incorporated their advice into our games.

Sotoyama: I had a lot of discussions with them about technical things like programming methods, but I don't think we talked about the games themselves much. Other than that, they told us we should choose titles for our overseas versions that didn't obscure or hide the titles of our products or company name here in Japan. Toaplan's games definitely followed this naming rule with things like "Truxton," which sounds similar to "Tatsujin," and they had various English titles which looked like neologisms of the original titles. But in America, there are many similar names of things domestically, so who knows now whether something is a reference to something in Japan or not. In the end we didn't follow that advice and named the overseas version of Mahou Daisakusen "Sorcer Striker."

—Did you have any special designs for the sound and music of the Mahou Daisakusen series?

Sotoyama: Atsuhiro Motoyama composed the music for Mahou Daisakusen and Dimahoo, and I think Nakashima Kouichi was responsible for the sound direction. The music for Shippu Mahou Daisakusen was composed by Hitoshi Sakamoto and Masaharu Iwata, and I did the sound direction myself. I remember getting some weird requests for the music, like if we could make it a "High Speed Orchestra" and "the fastest BPM of any shooting game music in history."

—Please share any memories you have of the development regarding Atsuhiro Motoyama, who handled the sound and music for Mahou Daisakusen and Dimahoo.

Sotoyama: I didn't deal with any of Motoyama's requests regarding the music composition; I only oversaw his work on the sound effects. I personally consider myself something of an anime otaku, but Motoyama was a real maniac, and whenever we'd talk about sound effects he'd make some anime reference or comparison.

Yokoo: I first met Motoyama when we were developing Mahou Daisakusen. He was a very affable person. When I was working on adding the sound effects, I asked him to make the sound of flowing water, and right there he said: "You mean like in volume xx of Urusei Yatsura, where Tomobiki High School gets flooded... that kind of a sound?" We'd have lots of conversations like that, and I remember thinking, "Damn, this guy is for real."

—Starting with Mahou Daisakusen, the kanji "hira" has been selectable in the name entry screen. What was the reason for that?

Sotoyama: During the development of Musha Aleste at Compile, there was a new employee named Hira-kun. For Musha Aleste, we only had 4 megs worth of ROM memory, and we used almost every last inch of it. When we went to program the staff roll at the end, we had space in the VRAM for just one Japanese character. So we thought, is there anyone whose name we could express with one character? Hira was standing there, so we said "Well, let's add Hira's name!" and that's how it came to be that, at end of the Musha Aleste staff roll, the character for Hira's name is there all by itself. Everyone was teasing him, saying "Why are you the only one who got their name put in!" and such...the usual junior employee hazing, you know. That carried on into Raizing's first game Mahou Daisakusen, and that's all the meaning "Hira" has. (laughs)

Yokoo: Yeah, it was all in the spirit of fun, a sort of signature for us at Raizing to show that we had come from Compile and Musha Aleste. For Dimahoo the character "yuki" also appears, which referred to two of our designers who had "yuki" in their names, and was another instance of us joking around.

—Regarding Soukyuugurentai, please tell us about any difficulties you had constructing the world. Also, how did you come up with the idea to feature the Japanese Mincho font so prominently?

Sotoyama: I read a line in some magazine that said "Space will be easy to colonize if we just set up corporations specializing in that field." That got me thinking, and I later came up with an idea for the title "Soukyuugurentai" that would become the prelude to the development--that is, "A rogue squadron streaking the blue sky (soukyuu) crimson (guren)..." I remember after that everything came pretty smoothly as we fleshed out the world.

Yokoo: From the outset we were aiming for a visceral quality like that of the Tokusatsu films [[tr note: "Tokusatsu" films refers to Japanese live action fx films, broadly including things like Godzilla, Kamen Rider, and others]], and we wanted to make a game that would express the idea of a "media filtered reality" through news programs and such. So to those ends we planned to add the various subtitles in Japanese that you see throughout the game. The fake newspaper articles in the ending screen were added for the same reasons. The fact that the hardware we were using had an expanded rom size allowing us to include large Japanese fonts was also a main factor. We had been wanting to do something like that in a game for awhile and were very happy about it, but when it came time to be released, we received a lot of feedback from people saying that it resembled Neon Genesis Evangelion. Of course we watched TV, but during the development we really hadn't had time to watch things and be influenced like that, I think. Rather, I think our influences were from the older show "Toppu wo Nerae!" (also by Gainax) and the Tokusatsu film "Gamera".

—How did you come up with the three players' names?

Yokoo: Our basic idea in Soukyuugurentai was to use rare surnames combined with simple first names to leave a memorable impression on the player. The surname Yashida from Yashida Kaoru was a reference to the Marvel character Wolverine's fiancee, Mariko Yashida. The kanji were a perfect match, but we thought it would be cool to use 八指多 and suggest a mutant with 8 fingers more than usual.

[[tr note: This requires some explanation as it relates to the kanji characters. The original name Mariko Yashida from X-men is spelled in a typical way (矢志田 真理子) and does not mean "8 fingered mutant." The characters for Yashida that Raizing invented (八指多) however, does literally mean "8 fingers more." So I think they also thought it was cool the way that their reference to Mariko Yashida in X-men, who was NOT a mutant in the Marvel story, actually became more "mutant like" in their game.]]

As for Mikazuki Ryouta, at the time there was a house called Mikazuki near our office, and each time I passed by and looked at the sign I thought, "what a cool name," so I just decided to use it. Kunimura Rika was a little different from what I said above, in that her character differed from the other two. She was from a different department at Jinsei Corp., among other things, so we wanted give her a different feel and decided to use a simple surname combined with a slightly odd first name. Her ship's name is different too; while "Toryu" (Dragon Slayer) and "Shiden" (Purple Lightning) are named after old Japanese army aircraft, her ship "Houga" (Phoenix Fang) was our original creation.

—Please tell us the history of the development of N.A.L.S. (Non-blind spot All range Laser System)?

Sotoyama: At the time I though a shooting game's scoring system should be about "how efficiently did you destroy the enemies?" I was specifically thinking of the manga Area 88, and that scoring in a shooting game should be the same as a mercenary collecting bounties. For that reason, I personally disliked chaining systems where the score multiplier increased by killing enemies without interruption, though I'm not trying to say chaining systems are bad per se. Also, I personally regret the bug in the arcade version where by collecting bombs you can get an abnormally high score. The loop counter in the program code was off by one, and no one noticed it...

Yokoo: I oversaw the scoring system and the enemy placement for Soukyuugurentai. The web lock-on system was done with the goal of making a vertical scrolling game on a horizontal screen enjoyable. The STV arcade hardware was the same hardware for the Sega Saturn, so we thought it would be best if the game could be easily played both at home and at a game center, so we went with a vertizontal game. We thought the web lock-on system did a good job of both covering the wide horizontal screen area and also preserving the fun feeling of shooting.

As for the scoring, that came from my idea that the enjoyment of destroying enemy craft and the method of increasing one's score shouldn't be separated. Also, I didn't like it when shooting games became completely like puzzle games, so I adjusted the scoring system to allow for a feeling of improvisation.

—Please share any interesting anecdotes, memories, or struggles you had while developing the three Soukyuugurentai.

Sotoyama: At the beginning of development, we were planning to make Soukyuugurentai a full-polygon game where the player could press a button to switch between a normal top-down 2D view and a first-person 3D view at will. However, due to hardware limitations and problems with our programming skills, we concluded it would be too difficult and decided on the top-down 2D view only. We were developing for the ST-V hardware, but during development the Playstation version of Raystorm came out, and I remember being shocked at how good the 3D was there, and feeling there was no way we could match it.

Yokoo: A week before the deadline for completion, I was suddenly told to create a name for the NALS system. So even now when I see that name I break into a cold sweat. Also, literally 5 minutes before presenting the name, Sotoyama said to me "this looks too similar to NERV", but since I had no time we ended up keeping it as it was.

—Does the story of Soukyuugurentai have any connections to your other games?

Yokoo: Not in the story, but there is a connection to some of the elements in Batrider. Its not an obvious or clear reference, but the things like the high altitude island Zenovia and the corporation dominated world came from Soukyuugurentai. We thought things like this would expand the world of our games, and we wanted a world where players' imaginations could run wild even when they weren't playing the game.

—Regarding the Playstation and Saturn ports of Soukyuugurentai, please share any interesting stories or struggles.

Sotoyama: For the Saturn port we fixed the bugs from arcade version, so we want players to play that version... but then again, it also has hardware problems, so in the end its up to the player to choose. I also fondly remember that, at the time, the Internet was rapidly expanding, and so we wrote the "Soukyuugurentai Dictionary" in HTML and included it on the Saturn disc. We also included the music on the disc in CD-A format, just because we had extra space, and I'm thankful to all the people involved who allowed us to do that. As for the Playstation version, it was directed by Data East's development company OUTBACK, who handled their console ports, so we didn't have much involvement with it. But I do like the short CG movies they made in between stages, which added ambience to the game.

Yokoo: The Saturn version had a "Special Settings" menu where once either a certain number of points were earned or an amount of time had passed, you could change various game settings to make clearing the game easier. Its not particularly uncommon today, but at the time being able to have fun unlocking options like that was something new in and of itself, and I don't think any other games had such a feature. Actually, there was a lot of debate over that menu, and after about a week we decided on keeping almost everything adjustable as you see it today. As for the Playstation version, we basically left it up to the company porting it, but I did handle the design of the additional character "Tetsuo Shimoniida." I do clearly remember being asked by Data East to make the character's name sound like a "tough old man, Data East style", but because the setting and the world were already decided, I couldn't really do it.

—In the trading figure series "Shooting Figure Historical SP3" you made a model of the "S.O.Q.-004 Toryu" ship from Soukyuugurentai, but in addition to the normal red color, you added a secret light blue color. What was the idea behind that?

Yokoo: That was the Toryu operated by Mikazuki Ryouta. We had talked a lot abot "Soukyuugurentai 2," and one of the ideas we had involved Mikazuki Ryouta as the protaganist, where he takes over Yashida Kaoru's Toryu after she quits the Jinsei Heavy Industry Company as shown in the ending of Soukyuugurentai. When TakaraTomy Arts asked us what color would be good for a secret color version model, we first talked about doing a test prototype ship, but we realized there actually was a blue Toryu in the world of the game, so we added it as Ryouta's personal color model Toryu.

—That explanation wasn't in the manual for the model!

Yokoo: That's right. There were things we didn't make public even though they were part of the game world. We figured it would be nice for people to be able to use their own imagination for some things.

—Please tell us a bit about Soukyuugurentai's sound and music design.

Sotoyama: There are many parts that have Sakimoto's personal touches. He worked hard to make the stage progression match the music progression, and to make the music sync with what was happening onscreen. I thought it was remarkable, like the music for the part in the third stage, when you can see the "Donryuu" boss through a break in the clouds. Sakimoto also seemed to love science fiction and space stuff. At the time when I went into his room he had posters of space shuttle launches hanging on the wall, and I think he loved NASA as well. When I came to him and asked him to do the sound for Soukyuugurentai, the first thing he said to me was "I've been waiting to do science fiction! I've been dying to do something like this!" And about a year or so ago, at the game music live event "EXTRA", Basiscape performed songs from Soukyuugurentai, which was a great honor to us.

—Please tell us about any memories or interesting episodes regarding other Raizing titles.

Sotoyama: When we ported Battle Garegga to the Sega Saturn, we asked Matsuo Hayato, Hitoshi Sakimoto, Shinji Hosoe, and Masaharu Iwata to do an arrange remix of the music. Hitoshi Sakimoto did the arrange version for the 3rd stage. When we received his mixdown, Manabu Namiki was listening to it on headphones when I saw him suddenly fall over laughing. Apparently, about 30 seconds after Hitoshi's remix began, as a joke he had inserted a loop of himself screaming NAMIKI!!!!! It was absolutely hilarious to everyone there.

—Please tell us about any memorable episodes involving Koyano Kenichi, who oversaw the sound development of Armed Police Batrider and Dimahoo.

Sotoyama: I remember we hired Koyano after Sakimoto had introduced us to him. He came from the Tokyo University of Arts and Music... and I'm not sure if that's why, but compared with us in the game industry and other game sound engineers, there was a different atmosphere about him that is hard to explain. After Raizing, we saw that he performed in the NHK educational television program "Pitagora Switch," in the "Otousan Switch" segment. I was jealous. (laughs)

—What is a shooting game to you?

Sotoyama: When we were making our games I thought of shooting games as war or battle simulators, so we tried not to make our games rely too strongly on pattern memorization, but rather tried to always have an element of randomness in them. That is just my personal preference; I'm not trying to criticize the fun people can have with pattern memorization games or anything.

Yokoo: To me a shooting game is basically a game system that anyone can pick up and play for a short period as a way to relax and unwind, and should take about 30 minutes to clear one loop. The story should let players be drawn into and feel the world in the same way as an emaki monogatari [[tr note: the story told in a narrative picture scroll. An interesting observation given the similarity between scrolling stages in a shmup]]. And shooting games should give a sense of accomplishment and be easy to play and easy to understand. I personally love shooting games and would like to see a return to the time when many people of all ages, men and women both, were able to enjoy these games.

—Please give a final message to the fans of Raizing and Eighting's games.

Sotoyama: Even though we aren't releasing shooting games at Eighting currently, we have the deepest gratitude to all the fans of our past games, as well as the game centers that hosted our games. Although Eighting is mainly developing fighting games and action games now, there are many on our staff who love shooting games, and given the chance we would love to develop more of them someday.

Yokoo: It's been 18 years since we made Mahou Daisakusen. So much time has passed since I was a boy, and I can't begin to express how much gratitude I have for your doing a feature like this on our games. I can't say we were ever a major game company, but it is the encouragement and support from our fans that has made us what we are today. In the last few years we have beeen working as a developer, so we haven't had much chance to put our names on our games, but our effort and dedication to creating an enjoyable experience for players has not changed. If you have the chance, please try the various games we've made recently. And thank you very, very much.


Bonus! - Below are the most text content heavy design documents featured in the interview. I am too lazy to scanlate these, but they are fairly simple and should be easy to follow along with from the notes below.


Mahou Daisakusen Prototype "Haougekiden Saifua" Design Notes

Vertical Shooting Design Notes - 1
Chinese Martial Arts Cyborg Shooting Game
Haougekiden Saifua [[Dynasty Shooting Legend - Blast!]]

Story
The three heroes are absorbed in their daily training with their Master Shuzan. One day, an unfamiliar man dressed as a martial artist challenges their Master and kills him in the fight. Though stricken with their own powerlessness, following their master's pet "Golden Monkey" they are led to the land of a mysterious hermit where they receive training. 5 years later, the three heroes, together with their monkey, hear a rumour about a bounty...

92.3.2


Ryuuga

A former brigand who only knew a life of crime, he loses a fight to Master Shuzan and becomes his pupil. His dragon form shot that fires in front is his special ability.

[[tr note: Unfortunately, I can not clearly read the bottom 4 characters well enough to do a complete translation. Here is what I can read:[/i]

The bottom left character is under the control of "Haou," the main antagonist, and is probably a boss in the game.

The next character is "Haou" himself who killed Master Shuzan and is building the "Haou Army" and is planning to take over the world. Interestingly, his name "Haou" is spelled with different kanji from the "haou" in the title which means dynasty. So there is some typically Japanese wordplay going on in the title here.

The third from left character was an acolyte at a temple, but due to women and booze he got thrown out. Master Shuzan takes him in. He sounds like a player character; there's some line about his bomb that I can't fully make out.

The last girl character I unfortunately can't read anything clearly enough to say. I think it says something about her coming to China to search for her father, but can't make out the other details.


Mahou Daisakusen Design Draft

[[in picture, top line points to Tsumujimaru's height, and the one below it points to the height of the player's ship]]

The Return of Magic
The world takes place far into the future of Earth, which one can tell as soon as the town of Shibuya appears on screen. For some reason the majority of the human population is gone, and the remaining humans just barely manage to continue civilization. However, their further decline is halted by the meteorites that fell from the sky.

Those meteorites were pure magical crystals (mana). With them, magic that had been dormant on the Earth for thousands of years returns, and the surviving humans begin a new life.

The Goblins
Most of the non-human species are revived along with the return of magic (mana), or they come from the spirit world. There are also robots from the old world that have been become living (?) and self-evolved. But they don't have any memories of their own origins.

About the magical player ships
At the beginning, the ships were operated directly through magic (mana), but they are later combined with engine technology from the old world. Also, aside from this, the humans are developing a prototype internal combustion engine that doesn't require magic (mana) to operate.

...the above does not directly appear in the game at all, so it is fine to ignore the circumstances of the story.


Dimahoo Early Development Notes

10. Characters and Ships

Warrior Solo-bang: A calculating man. If it isn't to his advantage, he won't lift a finger. But that doesn't mean that his scheming always leads him the right way... Lured by the promise of the reward, he joins the fight!

Sorceress Karte: Originally a royal princess, she chooses the path of sorcery after her hidden magic abilities are discovered by the sorceress Moruhina. Heedless of Moruhina's advice, she hears a rumor about a group of marauding bandits and sets out to save the suffering people.

Samurai Dragon Miyamoto: The legendary Samurai Dragon Miyamoto, successor to the Miyamoto Ninjutsu. He had disappeared from human civilization for a long time, but he appears once again to face the mountain bandits. Far from being weakened or aged, his blade has become even quicker, and his formidable reputation continues to grow.

Witch Jhoglina: A wandering witch who claims to have inherited the power of the Great Faerie Boogie Mataa. She openly declares her mastery of alchemy, but her unexpected decision to participate in the hunt for the mountain bandits is shrouded in mystery.

Dark Knight Dada: A mysterious knight hailing from the Western lands. He is always accompanied by a huge armadillo. In a fight the armadillo changes into a machine and merges with Dada, allowing him to transform into Flying Battle Mode.

11. Hidden Characters

The main characters are basically swapped from the first game, but these are remixed versions of characters from Raizing's other games.

Hidden Character #1: Old Man Gain
The protagonist from Mahou Daisakusen, now older, returns.
About 70 years old?
Sub shot is the Buster Sword

Hidden Character #2: Prince Golden
The #1 playboy from Batrider, to make him match this world,
we remake him as a prince. Subshot is machinegun.

Hidden Character #3: Martial Artist Yashida
Yashida Kaoru from Soukyuugurentai appears as a martial artist. She will have excellent power and speed. Subshot is homing bullets.

Hidden Character #4: The Regga Dwarf Brothers
Since Battle Garegga didn't have any characters, only ships, the dwarf brothers' ship will resemble a ship from Garegga. Subshot is vulcan.

Hidden Character #5: Beastman
A "Beastman" meant to suggest Bloody Roar, but he will be an original character, not taken directly from that game. Subshot is a blade attack.

The hidden characters will be selectable by dipswitch and through a hidden input command.


Shippu Mahou Daisakusen First Draft Design Notes

Mahou Daisakusen 2 (draft)

A shooting game with a racing element added

* About the control system
Standard 2 button setup. Shot is semi-automatic, bomb differs based on the ship.

* About the speed up/down...
To increase speed you must be in the top half of the screen in the "speed up area." By doing so your speed gradually increases. Until you leave the area it will continue to increase (up to a maximum limit.

To maintain your current acceleration, stay in the bottom half in the "neutral area"

[[tr note: in the little picture to the right, there is a arrow pointing to the "speed down line"]]


Soukyuugurentai First Draft Design Notes

* Stages
skyscraper city stage
entering the atmosphere stage
in satellite orbit stage
meteor stage
fleet battle stage
canyon stage
And more...

* In general, stages are above the earth or in the earth's orbit. No absurd or fantastic stages.

[[tr note: the various handwritten notes in the 2D/3D perspectives below don't say anything special, but pretty much describe what you see: they had planned for, or at least considered, 4 distinct views: top down, slightly angled, behind the ship, and cockpit]]
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Dude.. You are a beast. 8)

We need to find somewhere to put all of these translations so they don't keep dropping off the main page. Maybe cop some of the ones that GP did as well and post somewhere here for easy access. (hint, hint).
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—Why did you add a racing element to Shippu Mahou Daisakusen?

Sotoyama: In general, shooting games are designed so that the better you are, the longer you get to play...but we thought, isn't this a problem for game centers, and how could we make a game where the better you were, the shorter the game was?

This bit made me crack up. Excellent stuff, man. :)
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Thank you so much, once again! :smile:

Very interesting to hear about bugfixes in Souky's STV to Saturn port - I guess by "hardware problems" they mean stuff like load times? Will give this the detailed reading it deserves tomorrow!
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Great games, but can you say terrible influences? :lol:

ROAD RASH! Didn't think I'd be seeing that game mentioned again so soon. I'm not sure whether to feel proud for America or embarrassed... :lol:

BIL wrote:
Very interested to hear about bugfixes in Souky's STV to Saturn port - I guess by "hardware problems" they mean stuff like load times?

Yes, the ST-V doesn't have any load times. Of course, Titan is a moon of Saturn...it would be interesting to find out exactly what bugs were fixed for the Saturn port. It is probably the case that a lot of arcade games are regarded by their authors as being bugged in various ways, and it's fortunate that Souky got a second wind (as did other Saturn releases - Sega was pretty smart to roll out the ST-V).


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Hell yeah, I picked up Shienryu and Dynamite Deka on SS even though I already had the excellent PS2 versions just because STV->Saturn ports rock (as do Naomi->DC).

I figured it was either load times or the liability of the optical drive itself, compared to an STV cart + mobo setup.

Of course Souky got at least one minor bugfix with the Otokuyo re-release, although afaik that was just about display corruption when played on an overseas Saturn.

I'm sure I've heard the "tough old man" DECO style referenced in JP dev interviews before, haha. I miss badass old guys as playable characters in arcade games.
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Excellent read, huge thanks for the translation. Very cool to hear about Motoyama, definitely a great composer. I didn't realize he was such an otaku though, haha...

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Awesome once again blackoak!

It's nice to see these guys' backgrounds. I had the suspicion that Raizing's ties to Toaplan are greatly exaggerated. They're often referred to as a Toaplan offshoot, but their first game came out in '93 when Toaplan was still around.


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Love Raizing, love the translation thanks a bunch dude.
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blackoak, awesome work, thank you!

great interview aswell, very interesting topic and nice to hear they seemed to have a funloving time creating these games and also worked with competing companies rather than against.

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I love that they don't think that Dimahoo is too hard to basically clear :)
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I love that they don't think that Dimahoo is too hard to basically clear :)


Haha, I know! Incidentally, as a translator it can be very challenging when the things people say are unexpected or don't seem to make sense.

Another example is when Sotoyama mentioned liking "random" elements in his games. I know what he meant in the context of improvisation vs. memorization, but there's nothing truly random in Mahou Daisakusen as far as I know. Not in the Sine Mora sense, at least...
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now tell me u dont want to play dimahoo 2 players mode!

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A stellar translation and read once again :) This is a true pleasure, if i were there i d give you a hug!
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Awesome read, thanks for translating. Getting the urge to play some soukyugurentai and dimahoo :)


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Totally blown away by your translations, thank you once again for your effort!
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Thank you very much again, your work is much appreciated.

I wonder how much it is feasible to turn materials like these interviews into ready-made documents.

I have cut and pasted the interview on a .doc file and turned into a .pdf, so that I could read it on my kindle, for instance. The result is quite cheesy, but a more professional and stream-lined work would probably be a good way to preserve for posterity the good bits of information we have on the forum.
I would also suggest to upload the interviews on the shmups wiki.
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Amazing to learn about the people who make the games. Really well-translated... reads effortlessly. Thanks for these translations.


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I loved this interview! I love the part about Namiki listening to the arrange of the 3rd stage music. Hilarious.


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Aha! I was wondering yesterday if there was somekind of connection between Mazinger Z and the people behind Mahou Daisakusen. Can't wait until I have the time to read this.
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Sotoyama: When we ported Battle Garegga to the Sega Saturn, we asked Matsuo Hayato, Hitoshi Sakimoto, Shinji Hosoe, and Masaharu Iwata to do an arrange remix of the music. Hitoshi Sakimoto did the arrange version for the 3rd stage. When we received his mixdown, Manabu Namiki was listening to it on headphones when I saw him suddenly fall over laughing. Apparently, about 30 seconds after Hitoshi's remix began, as a joke he had inserted a loop of himself screaming NAMIKI!!!!! It was absolutely hilarious to everyone there.


OMG!!! :lol:

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That bit is great. :mrgreen: NAMIKIIIII! I love hearing about these big names interacting on a human level like that - puts in a much more personal light things like Sakimoto remixing Namiki's "Tunnel Vision" for Garegga's Saturn BGM. You could think it's all very cold and clinical behind the scenes, without glimpses like those.
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Glad to see everyone is enjoying these!

I had some free time today so I added the early development pics + translation notes for each. I didn't do scanlations, but there isn't too much text and its laid out in a self-explanatory way, I think. They're at the bottom of the interview, if you've already read it.
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 Post subject: Re: Raizing Interview - Sotoyama Yuuichi and Yokoo Kenichi
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reminds me of this old gem.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz8b9uAv ... h_response
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Quote:
Yokoo: As for the Gobligan King... in the typical "white man's burden" story, a man is expelled from his homeland and ends up leading a group of uncivilized natives, but here we had the idea of the Goblins making him their leader in the hopes that his strength would make them into a powerful army. With this kind of story, we thought that if a normal human was going to be the last boss he would have to have some kind of powerful charisma, and to express that idea we thought "charisma comes from the face." And that's how we ended up having the last boss be a giant face that covers the whole screen.


I have read this paragraph about 10 times now, and I love it a little more each time.

Thanks for the translation!
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 Post subject: Re: Raizing Interview - Sotoyama Yuuichi and Yokoo Kenichi
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Great read, you're a fucking baller, man. Cheers.
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