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 Post subject: Top 20 Doujin/Indie Shmups of all time RESULTS
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:51 pm 


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Read 'em and weep, boys and girls - the top 20 doujin/indie shmups of all time:

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Rank  Name                                      Total Votes
1     Crimzon Clover                            91.5
2     Touhou 12: Undefined Fantastic Object     81
3     Kamui                                     67.6
4     Hellsinker                                61.23
5     Touhou 07: Perfect Cherry Blossom         61
6     ChoRenSha68k                              52
7     Touhou 08: Imperishable Night             42.5
8     Judgment Silversword                      39
9     Touhou 10: Mountain of Faith              26.5
10    Blue Wish Resurrection (+)                26
11    Samidare                                  21.16
12(T) Touhou 06: Embodiment of Scarlet Devil    20.5
12(T) Eden's Aegis                              20.5
14    Hitogata Happa                            20
15    ring^-27                                  18.5
16    Satazius                                  16
17    RefRain Prism Memories                    15
18(T) Jamestown                                 14
18(T) Hydorah                                   14
18(T) Exceed 3rd                                14


Hopefully, among other things, this will give newbies trying out the genre a few affordable games to try out.
Might as well plug rancor's site, which is a good place to start.
Thanks to all who voted!

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 Post subject: Re: Top 20 Doujin/Indie Shmups of all time RESULTS
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:52 pm 


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For another take, here's a list ranked by number of mentions:
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Rank   Name                              Total Mentions
1      Crimzon Clover                          30
2      Kamui                                   20
3      ChoRenSha68k                            19
4      Touhou 07: Perfect Cherry Blossom       17
5(T)   Touhou 08: Imperishable Night           16
5(T)   Touhou 12: Undefined Fantastic Object   16
7      Touhou 10: Mountain of Faith            13
8      Hellsinker                              11
9      Blue Wish Resurrection (+)              10
10     Eden's Aegis                             9
10(T)  Touhou 06: Embodiment of Scarlet Devil   9
12     Judgment Silversword                     8
12(T)  Samidare                                 8
14(T)  Ether Vapor                              7
14(T)  Hydorah                                  7
14(T)  RefleX                                   7
17(T)  Alltynex 2nd                             6
17(T)  Diadra Empty                             6
17(T)  RefRain Prism Memories                   6
17(T)  ring^-27                                 6


Honorable Mention:

Alltynex 2nd
Cardinal Sins
Diadra Empty
Ether Vapor
Fast Striker
GuwangeDash
Infinity Danger
Last Hope: Pink Bullets
Pipilio
RefleX
rRootage
Seihou Banshiryuu
Seihou Shuusou Gyoku
Solid State Survivor
Stella Vanity
Touhou 05 - Mystic Square
Touhou 09 - Phantasmagoria of Flower View
Touhou 11 - Subterranean Animism
Touhou 12.5 - Double Spoiler
Touhou 12.8 - Great Fairy Wars
Trouble Witches
XOP Black Ultra
XOP Ultra
XOP Ultra Special
ZenIchi
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Nice. Thanks for doing this.

I expect people will once again forget what different opinions are and what votes mean in a poll like this, and just go RAWRAGGHAH GAME X OVER GAME Y WTF THAT'S WRONG
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UFO over Hellsinker isn't an opinion it's a travesty.
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The five doujin's I've played appeared roughly in the order I'd rank them (Crimzon Clover, Imperishable Night, BWR+, Subterranean Animism, RefleX), amazingly enough!


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Great to see Kamui in third place.. always deserves more attention. Pretty much what taito should've followed up rayforce with instead of raystorm. I should probably play them touhous more.

I think I forgot to vote for Guxt, oh noes. Gotta get JSS and cardinal sins up higher next time :p


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Everything's all aligned weird :? Interesting results either way!
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trap15 wrote:
Everything's all aligned weird :? Interesting results either way!


Yeah, some weirdness with importing it from the spreadsheet - didn't have time to fix it before class.

I'm pretty impressed with the results, myself. Touhou 12 aside (I just cannot get into that game), I think it shows a pretty good spread of the best of what's out there.


By the by, has anyone here gotten Judgment Silversword to work on a wonderswan emulator? EDIT: NVM, I got it going.
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Great results. Good to see CC, JS and Chorensha in the top 10, where they belong.
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Judgement Silversword deserved the top spot but other than that list seems decent!


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Good list, I was worried that we might have a top 20 resembling my Touhou joke post, but theres a good selection in there. The only one im sorry to not see on it is Zenichi.

So most folk prefer Exceed 3rd (Jade Penetrate) to Exceed 3rd Black Package?
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Moniker wrote:
Yeah, some weirdness with importing it from the spreadsheet - didn't have time to fix it before class.

Result numbers are still screwed up :X
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Pretty nice results and also a good idea for an alternative list of doujin games mentioned. Time to look up videos on ChoRenSha68k. :)
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trap15 wrote:
Moniker wrote:
Yeah, some weirdness with importing it from the spreadsheet - didn't have time to fix it before class.

Result numbers are still screwed up :X


Aaaaalright. Made it nice and pretty for ya. Please direct further requests to your congressional representatives. ;)
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Fine list. Thanks.
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No Trouble Witches or AirRade in the top 20? Disappoint.. But it's still a nice list.


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Interesting results. I think if we went by sales (from my site alone) the top 10 would be:

1. Crimzon Clover (far and away #1 in sales - I think everyone on this forum owns a copy..?)
2. Valhellio
3. Reflex
4. Ether Vapor Remaster
5. Alltynex Second
6. Satazius
7. Exceed 3rd
8. Erst Kerf
9. Hellsinker
10. Bike Banditz

Obviously none of the freeware games are on the list - I'm not sure if my hosting provides a way to track individual file downloads, so titles such as Warning Forever, Blue Wish Resurrection +, and Edens Aegis are missing.

As you can see Touhou doesn't make the top 10 - not by far. Of that series, UFO is probably the best seller and just barely makes the top 15. Some of the titles such as "Shoot the Bullet" haven't sold a single copy in the 2 years I've been running the site.. :?
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I'm not surprised by the results. CrimzonClover deserved the top spot.
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I've played a decent amount on this list and I like it. Maybe one day I'll make a genuine effort at scoring in a doujin game instead of getting the 1cc and moving on.

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So most folk prefer Exceed 3rd (Jade Penetrate) to Exceed 3rd Black Package?


I'm pretty sure it's Black Package. That's what the Exceed Collection has, and that's the only version I've ever heard anyone mention ever.
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How did Touhou 12 win out even over the other Touhou games in the series?

I could have sworn I bought my copy of Shoot the Bullet from you, rancor.


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rancor wrote:
As you can see Touhou doesn't make the top 10 - not by far. Of that series, UFO is probably the best seller and just barely makes the top 15. Some of the titles such as "Shoot the Bullet" haven't sold a single copy in the 2 years I've been running the site.. :?


Think this might be due in part to touhou fans largely treating the games as freeware. At least the gaijin ones, anyway. ;)
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Moniker wrote:
rancor wrote:
As you can see Touhou doesn't make the top 10 - not by far. Of that series, UFO is probably the best seller and just barely makes the top 15. Some of the titles such as "Shoot the Bullet" haven't sold a single copy in the 2 years I've been running the site.. :?


Think this might be due in part to touhou fans largely treating the games as freeware. At least the gaijin ones, anyway. ;)
Supposedly even owning the games is looked down upon. It's pretty fucked up.
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Moniker wrote:
rancor wrote:
As you can see Touhou doesn't make the top 10 - not by far. Of that series, UFO is probably the best seller and just barely makes the top 15. Some of the titles such as "Shoot the Bullet" haven't sold a single copy in the 2 years I've been running the site.. :?


Think this might be due in part to most touhou fans not playing the games.

FTFY

Also, most fans that actually buy the games are likely to either use one of the stores listed on the wiki or buy it through a guy on shrinemaiden.org. (N-Forza, who can get you just about anything except "hentai of any kind, books, pillowcases, those goofy mousepads, etc.")


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Think this might be due in part to most touhou fans not playing the games.
FTFY

Also, most fans that actually buy the games are likely to either use one of the stores listed on the wiki or buy it through a guy on shrinemaiden.org. (N-Forza, who can get you just about anything except "hentai of any kind, books, pillowcases, those goofy mousepads, etc.")


Shame, it spoils my mental picture - The Redcoat wearing shmups forum riding across the green and pleasant land, tooting on ye olde horns with dogs in tow. While a touhoufag in Cirno cosplay runs for his life

Ah such bliss... Touhoufag loses its leg to a bear trap, hunters put the creature out of its misery with a bullet through the brain. Later beheaded and mounted on a wall in the gaming room, nuts shipped to China for medicine. Ahem, i'm getting carried away, excuse me
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TrevHead (TVR) wrote:
Shame, it spoils my mental picture - The Redcoat wearing shmups forum riding across the green and pleasant land, tooting on ye olde horns with dogs in tow. While a touhoufag in Cirno cosplay runs for his life

Ah such bliss... Touhoufag loses its leg to a bear trap, hunters put the creature out of its misery with a bullet through the brain. Later beheaded and mounted on a wall in the gaming room, nuts shipped to China for medicine. Ahem, i'm getting carried away, excuse me


And even while missing limbs, braindead and without testicles, they still manage better scores.

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Some of the titles such as "Shoot the Bullet" haven't sold a single copy in the 2 years I've been running the site.. :?


Weird, because I bought all the Touhou games I own from you. But yeah, almost every Touhoufag that actually buys the games would've gotten them from other sources so your site isn't a good indication of touhou vs other doujin shmup sales. I assume most of your customer base comes from shmup communities, and last I checked most of them hate Touhou for some reason.
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Naut wrote:
I assume most of your customer base comes from shmup communities, and last I checked most of them hate Touhou for some reason.


Last I checked the series got 4 places from the top 10 in this one vote so apparently they understand good games after all.
That could also have been deduced by looking at some of the scoreboards that have higher activity than most arcade shmups out there and contain some really high level scores.
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Goddamn, I forgot to vote.

Still, glad to see Kamui on the #3 spot.


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