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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:40 am 


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Attempting to 1CC Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream on Lunatic. Also trying for a reflectless Giga Wing clear.

Finally nabbed the 1CC of Rapid Hero. It's actually not too tough (the hardest part is remembering when not to stay at the edges of the screen where enemies fly in from behind) but it still took me an embarrassingly long time to clear it (one death on the final boss). Fantastic game, love the visuals in it. There's so much detail in the backgrounds, it's painfully beautiful. I'd love to be able to find a sprite dump of just the stage backgrounds alone, as there's some gorgeous visuals there.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:03 pm 


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Nice clear! I should go back to it myself.
Do you think Rapid Hero is better than even Thunder Dragon 2 ? I quite enjoy the use of bombs as a pseudo-secondary weapon in TD2, and Rapid Hero's zako bullets are quite slow.
I still like RH, but it doesn't feel as fun as TD2 to me. Maybe I am missing something?
Though I gotta admit that the red recurring mech is cool (much cooler than TD2's own recurring enemy), and the stage 2 backgrounds remind me a lot of Gundam's space colonies.
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Thunder Dragon and Thunder Dragon 2 are both interesting games. Rapid Hero is certainly a slower paced shmup, and doesn't have the most complex shot patterns around (the stage 4 boss has a hilariously stupid safespot, but otherwise it's not that silly), but its simplicity feels like it's also part of the charm. I know there's a few other NMK fans like trap15 who prefer TD2 like you because it's a generally faster paced, more intense game.

TD2's the tougher game and also has two different ships with different shot types for each but neither felt like they quite 'clicked' for me, and then there's that bizarre voice acting I can't quite wrap my head around. Plus I'm really partial to the space setting, and the graphics in general in Rapid Hero. I also laugh every time the mech whistles (?!) in stage 2 to summon the little attack pods.

Whether or not Rapid Hero is 'better' or not I don't know. It's by no means a perfect game and has some weird quirks and annoying recovery if you die since the powerups you get on a death are randomized, but I definitely enjoy playing it more.
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I didn't consider Rapid Hero's focus on simplicity, but it's indeed clearly here, you're right.
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I also laugh every time the mech whistles (?!) in stage 2 to summon the little attack pods.

Now that you say it, it doesn't indeed make sense! :lol:
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I think this game has one of the absolut best game soundtracks ever. The game is fun too, but damn does it get hard later on :shock: Still, there are some really great bullet patterns on some of the bosses

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Batsugun Special.

This one blows the nornal version, the ending and credits was removed which is a sad thing. Loop 2 is pure fun though :P
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The ending and credits are still there, you just have to complete all four loops.
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Made it past The Rival Battle in Phantasmagoria of Dim Dream, now on to face The Sailor of Time.

Man this game is just too hype. Penultimate opponents manic teleporting boss form brings to mind Dracula in CV, except I'm scrambling to sight read and wager through the constant offense/defense reversals and epileptic super-flash blasting turn-abouts.
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Revisiting Elemental Master and going for a Maniac clear. Currently getting smacked around in stage 6.. haven't made it past the pike bridge. Hey, remember all that tight maneuvering with a massive hitbox through moving spikes on a narrow bridge... now do it with wind! That's some Kaizo Mario bullshit.

Also been improving my scores in Trouble Witches (Neo on 360 and the Steam release). I'm finding the enemy placement in the Steam release to be really chaotic.
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Due to a recommendation by user Bananamatic in another thread I checked out Battle Traverse (for PC).
It was a bit off the beaten track to get and a cunt to getting to run, but now that it does, I must say I quite like it. There are certain similarities to Progear, and some things that it does in a totally different way, but that isn't necessarily bad, on the contrary. For example the "never bomb, even if your balls are about to fall off!"-rule doesn't exist :wink:

I have to ignore the in-game player sprites though, they don't really work for me. Other than that: quite a good game and not exactly expensive.


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Kiken wrote:
Revisiting Elemental Master and going for a Maniac clear. Currently getting smacked around in stage 6.. haven't made it past the pike bridge. Hey, remember all that tight maneuvering with a massive hitbox through moving spikes on a narrow bridge... now do it with wind! That's some Kaizo Mario bullshit.


One of those rare titles that I've replayed and cleared many times despite being relatively easy. Wonderful, manic little adventure, that one.
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The trick with that bridge is to tap horizontally with the spears, I find, counteracting the wind while letting the autoscroll take care of vertical progress as much as possible (outside of clear openings to dart ahead). Of course in addition to the wind you're being sniped by unreachable zako, too, which is where a pre-prepared fullscreen charge shot comes in handy. I can no-damage it pretty reliably, it is a bitch though! As some cold comfort, there's life restores ahead.

The boss immediately after is textbook
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"shoot don't dodge," too. Properly timed, the ring's charge beam will block her destructible bullets (while murdering her face) very nicely. Gets too close for comfort if you try to dodge, as I did on my last revisit before remembering WTF I was supposed to be doing!


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Despite their more freewheeling design ethos, Tecno Soft did seem to to favour the prickly hitboxes in their MD shooters. Complements EM's hectic pace and big guns perfectly, I think, making aggressive movement paramount. Can't micrododge with that bigbox, particularly amidst the relentless pincer pressure, narrow confines and stage hazards. Maintaining control's not too hard, but holy fuck does it require you hustle and shoot, proactively sundering the hordes with mighty charge blasts. Wizardly and metal as fuck. An easier yet manic as all hell shooter, neat trick.
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Heartbreaking failure in Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream Lunatic. Made it up to Yumemi Okazaki. Got to her with a shocking 3 lives in stock. Started dying horribly, and on my last life I got down to one measly half orb of health, then died. So close to the 1CC yet so far. Grr. ;_;
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Heartbreaking failure in Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream Lunatic. Made it up to Yumemi Okazaki. Got to her with a shocking 3 lives in stock. Started dying horribly, and on my last life I got down to one measly half orb of health, then died. So close to the 1CC yet so far. Grr. ;_;


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Played Murasaki on PC recently. Very cool little game that was originally a free release. Curious how little talk it gets here but thats the case for anything really.
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Ingenious game that combines a shooting game with puzzle elements. At first it may seem the puzzle element overshadows the shooting game but that's only when the game is teaching you the mechanics in the beginning. Later on it gets demanding and expects you to master both strategic shooting and bullet dodging.

The main mechanic of the game is sort of a block puzzle. By shooting colored blocks on the backround layer you can push them around. Knock blocks of the same colour into eachother and they explode dealing damage to enemies and bullets. Larger chains deal more damage. If you cancel bullets this way on bosses they take damage. This may sound confusing but the game really shows you through it and in the end the core mechanic is quite simple. The challenge to the player is figuring out how to deal with various situations on the fly. Often times you'll find yourself thinking out when to shoot and figure out a plan while managing your way through bullet curtains. Murasaki encourages you to be smart about your shooting sort of like Ikaruga or old school 80's shmups.

A bullet health system is the other half of the puzzle mechanic. A bullets color matches its health and they are damaged by block explosions or the players shot. It's implemented quite well and makes you choose between shots or the size of block chains to go for. The default character is far better at cancelling bullets (ie. defense) while the other can land bigger attacks off the puzzle blocks. The latter also has to be careful going to the top of its screen as she has little range to shoot downwards. However dont expect to be able to always rely on bullet cancels, on higher health patterns this wont work. Often to get larger block chains for tricky sections you will end up not shooting for extended periods and having to dodge much more.

Murasaki's soundtrack is really amazing, top notch and there's a lot of competition in this genre. The chill music on stages goes well with the puzzle element and boss themes match their intensity. A fair bit of music syncing, especially with the true route of stage 5. Even if you're not a fan of the gameplay itself the music might surprise you.

After getting the ending you unlock the 6th extra stage which is far more challenging than anything preceding it. The boss of this stage truly demands some dodging skills and figuring out the tricks of its patterns. If you're not a shmup veteran this stage will likely be a wall, but smart play is still always rewarded so it can be enjoyable to learn shmups in this way.

The game includes a hard mode for the first 5 stages which makes their difficulty curve match more with the extra stage. The bosses get significantly harder and you need to approach some stage sections more as a puzzle. Stage 6 on normal is still tougher than anything in hard mode. There's also an endless stage that really tests your skill in the puzzle element as you cannot memorize and it keeps on getting tougher.

Definitely one of the best value for money for STG/shmups on Steam unless you have an aversion to bullet cancelling gimmicks. Murasaki implements its idea well and is a joy to play. Should be refreshing to anyone who thinks shmups are out of innovative ideas. It's worth noting this was first released as a free game, and for that it is quite amazing.

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Been mesmerized by Last Resort the past few weeks, haven't played a lot, but I just made stage 5.
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Been mesmerized by Last Resort the past few weeks, haven't played a lot, but I just made stage 5.


Great game, love the brooding atmosphere. At Stage 5, you're almost done - short game for sure.


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Pick goofy-looking sailor gal. Game becomes a cinch. :}


I've been switching between Chiyuri and Ellen. I once heard Chiyuri is apparently the hardest to 1CC with but I dunno, her charge shot rips apart bosses well and her fast movespeed can be handy...

It's very much a luck based affair in Lunatic, with bosses making some fairly ridiculous dodges. Do you spam lv 2 or 3 gauge attacks? Save it for the survival bomb? I still don't know what works best. Chiyuri's lasers combined with her aimed shots makes her the highest tier character in vs play IMO - human players just can't deal with it the way the AI does, weaving in and out of those lines...
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I've been switching between Chiyuri and Ellen. I once heard Chiyuri is apparently the hardest to 1CC with but I dunno, her charge shot rips apart bosses well and her fast movespeed can be handy...

It's very much a luck based affair in Lunatic, with bosses making some fairly ridiculous dodges. Do you spam lv 2 or 3 gauge attacks? Save it for the survival bomb? I still don't know what works best.


I was low-key funstering. Apologies. :D

Chiyuri on Lunatic is widely agreed upon to be the toughest clear in all the PC-98 games (some experts would even argue the toughest of the entire series...) Her speed is a double-edged sword, due to focused movement not having been introduced yet. Not to mention the AI will reflect every single attack she has. An Ellen 1CC isn't too far behind, either.

The path of least resistance involves using Yumemi or Reimu, as even the cheating-ass PoDD AI has difficulty dodging their attacks. Even then, yes, a lunatic 1CC is very much a luck-based affair. Spamming lvl. 2 is encouraged for scoring purposes, spamming lvl. 3 has little to no utility. The AI just does humanly impossible dodges at will, mainly taking hits only at predetermined intervals (barring Yumemi during the first round, who takes zero predetermined hits. Still beatable, though, especially if you're using a top tier char) Play defensively using Reimu or Yumemi, you'll have the clear in no time.

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Chiyuri's lasers combined with her aimed shots makes her the highest tier character in vs play IMO - human players just can't deal with it the way the AI does, weaving in and out of those lines...


Wait, you've had the good fortune to play PoDD against human opponents? Lucky. I can't even get fellow TSS aficionados to agree to it. Always wondered how well the versus mode compares to the single-player campaign...
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An Ellen 1CC isn't too far behind, either.


I know Chiyuri's tough to clear with, I was just determined to really see if she was the trickiest to clear with or if it was Ellen, with that damn slow charge speed and iffy charge shot, but more precise movement and ridiculously screen filling gauge attacks. I usually like Marisa or Rikako for general play, actually.

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Wait, you've had the good fortune to play PoDD against human opponents?


There's a local group of folks who meet to play shmups. We've had various matches of PoDD, PoFV, and Change Air Blade. They all feel and play differently, but they're all amazingly fun to play as (I find them more playable when setup with autofire). It's also a very different game when playing against a human opponent since being aggressive is a much more useful tactic - if you see your boss attack has activated, throwing out a level 3 gauge attack to overlap can really mess them up and force them to bomb it, or risk taking damage. It's amazingly fun. I've never tried TSS before, but I'm really into bullet hell style games and it looks like it relies on large attacks rather than smaller bullets. Plus PoDD's variety of attacks really appeals to me (and I love the PC98 era music). PoDD in VS feels a lot different, and having a fast charge attack often is really beneficial so you can quickly attack your opponent right after you get a long combo going.

PoFV is less hectic since the hitbox and screen real estate are generally more forgiving, as well as being able to clear bullets with gauge attacks. I'm quite fond of it too, and its wide character roster is a lot of fun to experiment with in VS - Sakuya's EX knives are really hard to pay attention to since they come horizontally from the enemy's screen!

Change Air Blade is really crazy for VS and matches can end really fast due to how damaging some attacks are, but it's really satisfying to attack your opponent directly! Those boss transformations are also really cool, but you get no invulnerability if your boss form is destroyed so someone can run up and use a melee attack if you go low. Some of the melee swipes are strong enough that a direct hit will destroy the boss form and rip off an entire lifebar from your health at the same time (since you're instantly vulnerable as soon as your boss mode is cancelled).

I know Change Air Blade can be setup to play online - I don't know about PoDD but PoFV can be I think, too. Not sure how reliable its netplay is but it'd be fun to try that out sometime.
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I've never tried TSS before, but I'm really into bullet hell style games and it looks like it relies on large attacks rather than smaller bullets.


TSS's genius counter system and match flow is a masterpiece of game design and easily one of the greatest things ever wrought by human hands. I highly recommend.

Also at high level play dodging/sight reading fireballs basically becomes equivalent to Psikyo 2nd loop, except everything is randomized. Absolutely beautiful.
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^ same old man... Still getting fucked up by the end of stage 5 no matter how I play it! :|
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Phantasmagoria of Dimensional Dream

Hooboy, still as intense as ever, even in the early game. Made it a little farther on Sailor of Time this time, and didn't have as much trouble with the preceding rival battle. I think I'm getting there.


Darius II (Mega Drive version)

Gave it a run on Perikles recommendation. Set difficulty to expert for the hell of it.

Good fun. Much snappier with the faster move speed whilst retaining the visceral punch of oldschool arcade Darius. Stages feel a bit long, but that's okay.


Dragon Blaze

Gave it a return. I've loved and appreciated this ones mechanics for over a year or two now, but I never quite noticed before how intense and hotblooded the combat feels even when you have most of Psikyo's infamously sterile routes memo'd. Wonderful time even without any successful progress into the second loop.
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Just got 121M on the barely mentioned Blaynix. I had just uploaded a lower score to YT the other day, so I probably won't bother with this one for now. I got the 16x multiplier kill against the final boss too. :)
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Dragon Blaze

Gave it a return. I've loved and appreciated this ones mechanics for over a year or two now, but I never quite noticed before how intense and hotblooded the combat feels even when you have most of Psikyo's infamously sterile routes memo'd. Wonderful time even without any successful progress into the second loop.

To me the game is at its best when you've completely memorized it, as that's when you can best engage with the game's rhythm without reservation. I think certain aspects of the game such as the slow, dense bullets (compared to other Psikyo games) and the unsealable suicide bullets paired with an emphasis on close-ranged attacks only really make sense when you've got a plan to misdirect the threats. I was slow to learn the game because I would much rather play the parts I already know than try to figure out new stages.

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Just got 121M on the barely mentioned Blaynix. I had just uploaded a lower score to YT the other day, so I probably won't bother with this one for now. I got the 16x multiplier kill against the final boss too. :)

Very nice! I take it that the game doesn't counterstop at 8 digits like you were suspecting?

As for myself, I've been dabbling with a few different games. I played a bit more ring^-27 after putting it aside last December. I learned how to unlock five extra modes so it's not like I have any lack of things to play around with. I encourage others to play it, if only to justify the existence of the highscores thread - if I were to post scores for all the modes I've played it'd be a wasteland of dozens of tables with one entry each. I've posted plenty of info I've gleaned from it in the highscores and strategy subforums' respective threads, so the lack of explanation of its systems shouldn't be an issue anymore.

I've also been playing some Raiden DX - I'm a fan of the thrilling stage designs and enemy attacks, and the graphics and sound effects are incredibly satisfying, top-notch even today, but I never really liked the Raiden-style (yes, I know it originated before Raiden...) weapons and powerups, and the bosses annoy me to no end especially as I keep screwing up the stage 1 boss point-blanking tactic. The medal flashing actually doesn't annoy me as much as I thought it would, other stuff such as the fighting spirits/"Guts" rating discourage me from taking score seriously.

More to my liking is Thunder Dragon 2, which combines swift enemy movements and attacks with brisk movement and responsive weapons. I always draw comparisons in my mind between this game and Dangun Feveron thanks to their speedkill-based scoring and enemy waves, but I've been playing this one over Dangun recently because it feels more manageable to me. Not so much the overall difficulty, but more about how chaotic and overwhelming all the item collection can get in Dangun Feveron, and how much I suck at its bosses (TD2's bosses feel easier on average and less random to me, though that may be because I feel more encouraged to use my bombs).

I played a few credits of Out Zone too - I love the music and the gameplay's fun, but man do I suck at it.

Last but not least, since last weekend I've been playing a lot of GR3, a freeware Gradius fangame in the style of the MSX Gradius and Nemesis games, created by NIGORO (or GR3 Project, as they were known at the time) before they created La-Mulana. I'm very surprised at how little mention this game has gotten on this forum, so much so that to make up for it I'm going to create Hi Scores, Strategy, and Shmups Chat threads later this week when I have more time. The creators are fairly well-known, albeit not for shmups, and there's a page on it on the Gradius wiki and an entire Japanese wiki dedicated to it, but I couldn't find more than one or two passing mentions here. I myself knew about this game years ago (back when I was first playing La-Mulana), but only now put in the time to get past the first stage. If you're familiar with La-Mulana, especially the original freeware version, GR3 plays pretty much exactly how you'd expect a shmup from that team would play. I'll leave it up to you for now to figure out what exactly that means, but suffice it to say that it's not for the faint of heart (especially the "Re-Death" version, which remakes all the stages into much harder versions). Sadly, different versions of the game require different versions of the Java Runtime Environment, and even versions that run in modern JVMs may sound different because the Java MIDI synthesizer (yes, the soundtrack is in MIDI, and it's actually pretty good) was changed relatively recently. You shouldn't let that stop you from taking the game out for a spin, though - it's clear that a lot of love (and perhaps an unhealthy dose of sadism) went into the game.
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